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Re: Banned in California

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Post by iamnothere »

dotancohen wrote: post #39
thousand_nights wrote: post #16

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lol. yeah there is but instead of "farther from the population centers" it is "farther from YOUR population centers"

Yes, exactly. That's fine - live and let live. If somebody else values their health less - let them have pollution in their own back yard. If enough communities worldwide care about their health, then polluters will have to clean up their processes. But it's not for the residents of California to decide what happens in other jurisdictions.

Do you not think it’s possible that there are many places where people do care about their health, but they are forced to allow pollution because the alternative is grinding poverty and eventual starvation?

Do you think the ship breakers in Bangladesh do it for fun?

This outsourcing of misery is the absolute worst feature of Western neoliberalism. You get a two for one, dumping misery on other countries because it’s cheaper, while outsourcing strategic concerns because they are “too dirty.” It’s NIMBYism taken to its logical conclusion.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by greesil »

daedrdev wrote: post #54
devmor wrote: post #41

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I obviously mean that you can filter out and properly dispose of and neutralize what would be emissions, so that they are not emitted. I cant see your comment as anything but bad faith, why are you responding like this?

Sir, this is a hive of pedants. They live for this. Just accept it and move on.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by thephyber »

richwater wrote: post #64
mparkms wrote: post #48

The creator of the website is the CEO of a battery-powered induction cooktop company. ( https://x.com/sdamico ) He clearly has an agenda against what he perceives as onerous environmental regulations: https://x.com/sdamico/status/2026536815902208479 https://x.com/sdamico/status/2026552845294792994

> has an agenda Everyone has an agenda. Is anything on this site false? Is it incorrect information?

Lies can be either by commission or omission.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by paxys »

Half the states in the country are actively deregulating all of this stuff. Why not take your factories there? California is anyways too expensive.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by kylecazar »

It's interesting, but is there some conflation of regional restrictions with the state of California?

Example: cites automotive paint shop restrictions as the quintessential example of what you can't do in CA, and qualifies it with a specific Bay Area regulation.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by encoderer »

WD-42 wrote: post #60
crawshaw wrote: post #34

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But you also want smart phones, electric cars, and a navy. There needs to be a path towards doing things other than foisting them on people who are out of sight.

Texans seem more than happy to host these industries. Let them, they have no public land left to protect anyway. The environment is arguably California’s most valuable asset. May as well preserve it so people continue to want to actually live here.

This is a self fulfilling profecy.

For a long time, it was jobs and the promise of a better future for your family. By killing that all we have is weather.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by old_bayes »

devmor wrote: post #41
daedrdev wrote: post #38

Listen y’all, it’s not just that we aren't letting companies spew chemicals into the air. The permitting and regulatory process is so extremely hostile that even when you want to and are able to do so safely and without emissions, it’s impossible. Instead you have to ship things from out of state and other countries, which generates emissions and pollution itself that might actually be more than local production. Its…

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When you read a paragraph you have to read all the sentences in that paragraph.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

bmelton wrote: post #52
ryanobjc wrote: post #10

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Paint VOCs sounds fine, until it's done at industrial scale, and it's also your neighbor, and also all the children in the neighborhood have asthma, and also healthcare is a lot more expensive... This list isn't things you "cant do in california" but "polluting things you can't do in highly populated cities". I'm not sure what the conclusion here is other than health is not important.

Are they only banned in the cities, or are they banned in the state, which -- even in California, should have rural areas far enough away from cities to be tenable? It's an interesting conundrum though, because in many cases, the cities could not exist without the things that are being banned in the cities. It's a curious goal of populations to centralize, then ostracize all the things that enabled that centralizatio…

They're probably "not banned" only in the "basically lying" sense that they per rule won't approve you in certain cities and if you do happen to be rural the process is hostile and expensive enough that it's not worth it for the value such a facility would generate. That's how that sort of stuff is in my state.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

richwater wrote: post #64
mparkms wrote: post #48

The creator of the website is the CEO of a battery-powered induction cooktop company. ( https://x.com/sdamico ) He clearly has an agenda against what he perceives as onerous environmental regulations: https://x.com/sdamico/status/2026536815902208479 https://x.com/sdamico/status/2026552845294792994

> has an agenda Everyone has an agenda. Is anything on this site false? Is it incorrect information?

I don't think it makes a good case for itself. No automotive paint shops sounds kind of ridiculous. I don't know anything about that industry but there has to be a way to paint cars in a safe way, right??

But lumping that in with semiconductor fabs, which are extremely toxic, makes me wonder how many of these banned industries I don't want in my state. I think if we want to build them in the US maybe don't build them in the most agriculturally productive and highest population state. Or first figure out how to do it without turning the US into China with its "cancer villages" from poisoned river water.

I'm not defending the dysfunctional CA bureaucracy, but the site should probably focus on specific cases of government-produced insanity than a general complaint that certain industries are banned from operation.

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