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Re: More cows, more wives

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Post by EnPissant »

replooda wrote: post #70
EnPissant wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> most people in the world don’t and have never lived like Europeans > Yeah, but, as it turns out with modern migration trends, the revealed preference is that they would want to, given an opportunity. Being European, I would also prefer to live like a European. The revealed preference is that they want to continue to live the same way, but to do it in European countries as they are nicer places to live. The problem…

> The problem is that they are nicer places to live because "living like a European" is what produces these nicer places to live. With a sprinkle of colonizing and ravaging those lesser places, my liege?

More like a century of no cousin marriage / late marriage / nuclear families via bipartite manorialism has produced a high trust people. Everything you attribute to magic dirt or oppression is really this.

Re: More cows, more wives

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Post by replooda »

EnPissant wrote: post #71
replooda wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is that they are nicer places to live because "living like a European" is what produces these nicer places to live. With a sprinkle of colonizing and ravaging those lesser places, my liege?

More like a century of no cousin marriage / late marriage / nuclear families via bipartite manorialism has produced a high trust people. Everything you attribute to magic dirt or oppression is really this.

You must be very insecure of your claims, completely sidestepping the actual content of my reply and managing to double yours as ad-hominem and straw-man sophistry, not to even bother pointing out the flimsiness of your "European lifestyle" construct itself — sure, the UK can't live without their baguettes — when Europe is rather more representative of postpostmodernist ideologies than of whatever golden-age historical kool-aid you've been drinking to ignore how prevalent the invective "eurocuck" is outside utopia.

Re: More cows, more wives

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Post by oa335 »

rayiner wrote: post #62

> One thing became abundantly clear: most people in the world don’t and have never lived like Europeans. Looking at marriage norms across the world actually suggests the opposite takeaway. What’s remarkable is how similar marriage norms are among people who had almost no historical contact with each other. Confucian marriage 2,000 years ago wasn’t that different from Christian marriage 100 years ago, despite those tw…

> Confucian marriage 2,000 years ago wasn’t that different from Christian marriage 100 years ago

That’s not a good example. Confucian norms allowed for concubinage and sororate marriages.

> What’s remarkable is how similar marriage norms are among people who had almost no historical contact with each other.

What evidence do you have for this? And why is it important to you at all?

Re: More cows, more wives

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Post by giantg2 »

bombcar wrote: post #69
giantg2 wrote: post #68

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"the state just wants a clean database to avoid complications; it doesn't actually care about truth." What it actually cares about is not having to pay CHIP, etc. Having a man who isn't the biological father paying for stuff means the state doesn't have to pay for services. They don't care at all beyond that.

Most of these laws are ancient, from the era of inheritances and such - long before CHIP.

That history doesn't explain their current motives.

Re: More cows, more wives

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Post by Conscat »

EnPissant wrote: post #71
replooda wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is that they are nicer places to live because "living like a European" is what produces these nicer places to live. With a sprinkle of colonizing and ravaging those lesser places, my liege?

More like a century of no cousin marriage / late marriage / nuclear families via bipartite manorialism has produced a high trust people. Everything you attribute to magic dirt or oppression is really this.

This feels like a false dichotomy to me, and if anything, it might invert cause and effect. Europeans pillaged most of the countries that you're contrasting to, and under intense economic pressure, traditional values (especially misogynistic ones) usually emerge as a coping mechanism. Such as child marriage. Liberties are typically the result of relaxed economic conditions, like what Europe achieved after plundering the textiles of South Asia. As economic conditions worsen, we now see conservativism rising in the west.

Re: More cows, more wives

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Post by EnPissant »

Conscat wrote: post #75
EnPissant wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like a century of no cousin marriage / late marriage / nuclear families via bipartite manorialism has produced a high trust people. Everything you attribute to magic dirt or oppression is really this.

This feels like a false dichotomy to me, and if anything, it might invert cause and effect. Europeans pillaged most of the countries that you're contrasting to, and under intense economic pressure, traditional values (especially misogynistic ones) usually emerge as a coping mechanism. Such as child marriage. Liberties are typically the result of relaxed economic conditions, like what Europe achieved after plundering…

Europe used to be a lot like other places a millennia ago (I typo'd century above): low-trust, dominated by extended kinship networks, different marriage patterns, etc. The transformation largely happened between the years 300-1500, before colonialism existed. The Church was responsible for much of this transformation. I guess you think Europe just robbed the world and suddenly they had liberal democracies?
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