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How we rebuilt Next.js with AI in one week

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Re: How we rebuilt Next.js with AI in one week

#71
I'm deeply skeptical of the "X reimplemented and it was super easy" thing.

The devil is in the detail.

So many edge cases unlikely to be there.

So many details or fine details unlikely to be there.

Years of bug fixes.

If it is literally a drop in replacement and it passes all the tests, and you're replicating something with and extremely thorough test suite, then sure I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Otherwise, I don't believe people "rebuilt X product in a week".

Re: How we rebuilt Next.js with AI in one week

#73
post #70

Man, I love Next ... but I also love Vite ... and I hate the Next team, because they focus on fancy new features for 0.1% of their users, at the complete expense of the other 99.9% of the Next community (who they basically ignore). This gives someone like me everything we want. Better performance is something the Next community has been begging for for years: the Next team ignored them, but not the Cloudflare team. M…

You think you'll get better long-term support from an experiment that a single engineer did in his spare time?

Isn't that how Linux started?

Re: How we rebuilt Next.js with AI in one week

#75
post #45

Man, I love Next ... but I also love Vite ... and I hate the Next team, because they focus on fancy new features for 0.1% of their users, at the complete expense of the other 99.9% of the Next community (who they basically ignore). This gives someone like me everything we want. Better performance is something the Next community has been begging for for years: the Next team ignored them, but not the Cloudflare team. M…

Next is the worst framework I’ve ever used next to rails. It’s pure overhead for most apps.

Try mvc-router, see here: https://github.com/wisercoder/mvc-router/tree/master/DemoApp...

React was originally meant to be the 'V' in MVC. You can still use it that way and React becomes very simple when you only use it for UI. Why do data fetching in a React component?

Re: How we rebuilt Next.js with AI in one week

#76
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That used to be the case 3-4 years ago. Today Astro is very much a serious contender for dynamic web apps.

I tried it about 6 months ago for something I had to redo in NextJS afterwards, it is really not built for those sorts of web apps, even today.

What features are missing?

Re: How we rebuilt Next.js with AI in one week

#78

This is probably the most interesting AI experiment I've seen yet. Looking through the codebase has me wondering where all the code is. I don't know if anyone has had the displeasure of going through the next.js codebase, but I estimate it's at least two orders of magnitude more code than this reimplementation. Which makes me wonder, does it actually handle the edge cases or does it just pass the tests. Like compare…

It is the most passive aggressive thing I’ve ever seen. Cloudflare team had issues with the Next team? And they responded with ‘we can do your whole product with an intern and AI’, lol.

Woah.

Re: How we rebuilt Next.js with AI in one week

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's no way Cloudflare could have pulled this off without next's very own tests. I'm very uncovinced. History showed us very complex systems reverse engineered without access to the source code. With access to the source code, coupled with the rapid iteration of AI, I don't see any real moat here; at best a slight delay.

Source code is one thing; tests covering the codebase are another. And if you just copy the source code or translate it one-to-one into a new language, rather than make a behavioral copy, there will be copyright issues.

> there will be copyright issues

Next.js is MIT-licensed. Cloudflare's rewrite is... also MIT licensed...

Re: How we rebuilt Next.js with AI in one week

#80
post #21
post #3

NextJS is bad enough, cannot imagine an Ai version Cloudflare also lost my support because their support is among the worst, rep evn sneered (cannot update my WHOIS, still, after months of emails). Strongly recommend avoiding their platform. You will find that you lose more time & money to dealing with the issue of parity. God help you if you ever need support, almost every question in Discord goes unanswered as well…

The former CTO commented a lot here and said numerous times about emailing him with issues that support couldn't figure out. Maybe try emailing the new CTO?

nah, they already lost my business, it seems cultural, which we know is a hard ship to steer in a new direction, I'm not interested in trying that again

if said CTO happens upon this, my handle should show up in your systems if you do do as parent commenter suggests

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