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Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by macspoofing »

georgespencer wrote: post #16

There's so much about this which is disingenuous. I'm not surprised by this, but it's worth pointing out some of the tricks Amazon are employing here: 1. Much More for Much Less. Much More is obviously the kindle fire HD, and Much Less is the iPad Mini. Heck, if you remove the 'f' of 'for' you get to the central point here which is to turn the choice into 'Much More or Much Less'. 2. Kindle Fire HD branding is used (…

You're overthinking it. Amazon is basically saying the iPad Mini is underpowered and more expensive. Yeah, what else is new? If Apple competed on tech specs and price, they wouldn't have sold a single Mac in the last 15 years. Price and specs is not why people will be buying the mini.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by macspoofing »

pherk wrote: post #34
georgespencer wrote: post #16

There's so much about this which is disingenuous. I'm not surprised by this, but it's worth pointing out some of the tricks Amazon are employing here: 1. Much More for Much Less. Much More is obviously the kindle fire HD, and Much Less is the iPad Mini. Heck, if you remove the 'f' of 'for' you get to the central point here which is to turn the choice into 'Much More or Much Less'. 2. Kindle Fire HD branding is used (…

Why such a great support to Apple even when it is so evident that the mini iPad is a first generation product? I think it has become fashionable to praise Apple even when it falls short and bash others even when they exceed expectations. This is analogous to transforming from fanboyism to fanaticism. I hail from a place where the worth of 200$ or 300$ for a tablet cannot be justified, where we demand true value for m…

>Why such a great support to Apple even when it is so evident that the mini iPad is a first generation product?

It's not really a first gen product. It's an iPad with the same aspect ratio, but a smaller screen.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by michaelmior »

georgespencer wrote: post #16

There's so much about this which is disingenuous. I'm not surprised by this, but it's worth pointing out some of the tricks Amazon are employing here: 1. Much More for Much Less. Much More is obviously the kindle fire HD, and Much Less is the iPad Mini. Heck, if you remove the 'f' of 'for' you get to the central point here which is to turn the choice into 'Much More or Much Less'. 2. Kindle Fire HD branding is used (…

As far as the "Ultra-fast MIMO Wi-Fi", iPad Mini has that too. (I can only assuming they're referring to 802.11n)

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by nsxwolf »

neya wrote: post #50
georgespencer wrote: post #16

There's so much about this which is disingenuous. I'm not surprised by this, but it's worth pointing out some of the tricks Amazon are employing here: 1. Much More for Much Less. Much More is obviously the kindle fire HD, and Much Less is the iPad Mini. Heck, if you remove the 'f' of 'for' you get to the central point here which is to turn the choice into 'Much More or Much Less'. 2. Kindle Fire HD branding is used (…

I recently read an article on HN wherein a user posted asking all of us to be 'civil'. This is the reason why HN isn't so civil. You like a product, you try to support as if you created it and as if the company cares for you, while in reality the company doesn't care about you and you're just doing free marketing for them. Not to say that you can't defend what you like, but most of what you've written here is very ve…

I thought the tone of georgespencer's post was perfectly reasonable. Your post represents a tonal shift into the negative.

Please people, let's not turn HN into MacRumors forums (shudder)

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by Raphael_Amiard »

neya wrote: post #50
georgespencer wrote: post #16

There's so much about this which is disingenuous. I'm not surprised by this, but it's worth pointing out some of the tricks Amazon are employing here: 1. Much More for Much Less. Much More is obviously the kindle fire HD, and Much Less is the iPad Mini. Heck, if you remove the 'f' of 'for' you get to the central point here which is to turn the choice into 'Much More or Much Less'. 2. Kindle Fire HD branding is used (…

I recently read an article on HN wherein a user posted asking all of us to be 'civil'. This is the reason why HN isn't so civil. You like a product, you try to support as if you created it and as if the company cares for you, while in reality the company doesn't care about you and you're just doing free marketing for them. Not to say that you can't defend what you like, but most of what you've written here is very ve…

> Where were you during Apple's presentations?

This has absolutely no relevance, i hope one is still allowed to be critical of something without simultaneously pointing out all similar flaws in the universe.

> For example, if I were to counter you, I would then say the entire of Apple's presentations and Marketing is just plain BS

Except it doesn't counter anything OP said, since he didn't talk a bit about Apple marketing. Also, OP is providing a constructive analysis, which is quite better than just "this is BS"

> So may I kindly request you to cut the crap and stop the bias and avoid provoking people into such techno-wars?

You are the one using abrasive language here. I did read OP as an interresting (and opinionnated) analysis of what amazon did to make their product seem better.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by jjguy »

My experience shopping on Amazon - a bit like browsing in a vast, chaotic and disorganized third-world marketplace - is not one I'd like extended to my computing platform.

Amazon and others can tout narrow features as much as they want, but I still prefer the better-managed end-to-end experience Apple provides in their ecosystems.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by philwelch »

eigenvector wrote: post #12

The iPad Mini's far from impressive DPI is no doubt the result of Apple not wanting to introduce another resolution into the iOS ecosystem (the Mini's resolution previously appeared on iPad 1 and 2). I don't think they were cutting costs with this panel, rather, you are seeing the non-resolution-independent iOS chickens coming home to roost as software limitations begin to hold back hardware innovation. Apple needs t…

Apple doesn't need resolution independence. They just need to get everything on retina displays, then it won't even matter anymore.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by bradwestness »

JeremyBanks wrote: post #64
Shivetya wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out the iMac gallery on the Apple Store, the fifth and sixth pictures show a side view. I would expect the show they put on to only provide the best views of their products but at least you can find better pictures on their site.

I'm pretty sure they've included side views in their main product galleries before. I've looked at the previous lines, but I was surprised (and entirely lost interest in the product when it was clear they weren't willing to present it honestly) when this gallery was so misleadingly shot. Steve Would Never Have Let It Happen®. Seriously, their main selling point is "it's so thin" and they won't even show us how thin i…

It's also a weird marketing tack to take since "thinness" doesn't really matter on a desktop system. It's another example of Apple's impressive ability to shift the conversation (as polshaw mentioned above) when their products don't come out on top in traditional specs.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by hmottestad »

neya wrote: post #63
rimantas wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How the fuck can it be the 'fastest' while > high-performance quadcore chips were long released > even before this phone came into existence? Indeed how? How was scrolling on the first iPhone smoother than on current android devices running on said quad core chips? How about understanding that processor power is not all there is? > So may I kindly request you to cut the crap and stop the bias and avoid > provoking…

How was scrolling on the first iPhone smoother than on current android devices running on said quad core chips? This explains your in-depth knowledge of what processors and their comparisons really mean. Thank you

On my 2. gen ipod touch scrolling is slow and lags. It was fast when I bought it though.

Anandtech did a writeup on the iphone 5 performance and on the sunspider test it outperforms the galaxy 3. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6309/iphone-5a6-sunspider-perf...

However I didn't really look at the other tests.

The ipad mini though will probably be slow. It has a chip introduced in march 2011, and back then it wasn't even the fastest chip on the market. It'll be pretty much as slow as the iphone 4s.

Re: Amazon.com criticising new iPad on homepage

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Post by arrogant »

engtech wrote: post #68
chucknelson wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone know where this "No HD movies or TV" thing is coming from? Can the iPad mini not play 720p content or something? A link to where this is stated would be helpful.

They're probably using 1080P as the definition of HD. The last time I looked at buying a movie in iTunes, the max resolution they sold was 720P.

No longer the case. They started renting/selling 1080p content with (or perhaps before) the release of the 1080p Apple TV.
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