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Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by caminante »

netsharc wrote: post #46
caminante wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But have you had consistently good experience with Google Gemini and Google apps? Or read the mixed reviews? For me, Gemini has been hit or miss and somehow less useful than Assistant was 2+ years ago.

The coding assistant for VSCode is nuts (i.e. gets it wrong a lot, also one time it just got so confused). I have Gemini Pro for free for a year because I bought a Pixel phone, it answers very fast, so I like it. Let's see how I'll feel about shelling out real money when the subscription ends. But on the phone, I still use Assistant (and just have a shortcut to launch the webpage in my browser), because the phone was…

Sorry to hear that.

I've had a similar deal. "Free" means included, and we are the beta testers!

In the last month, Gemini successfully persisted Google notes and calendar events. It also malfunctioned by adding these to chat context...(and not persisting to Google Calendar or Keep.)

Same commands. Different outcomes. It's unusable.

Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by _pdp_ »

splatzone wrote: post #70
_pdp_ wrote: post #61

You don't need to use OpenClaw, NanoClaw or any of these new variants. You can literally use Codex, Claude Code, Gemini, OpenCode for the same thing. The only thing that it is missing from all of them is the communication channels because none of them come with native communication tools like OpenClaw. But this is not such a big deal. I made an open-source lightweight daemon in Go that fills that gap. All it does is…

What about heartbeats, cron etc? Seems like a major part of the 'claw' appeal is that it can work autonomously, monitor your email inbox for stuff and take action automatically...

You can do both with the cron daemon. But pantalk can also trigger the agent after some notifications are buffered too. So that also is a trigger. You don't really need one massive library. All operating systems have native ways to do all of these things and more.

I don't know. You can even use systemd if you like.

Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by echoangle »

signatoremo wrote: post #64
mpweiher wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno, my calendar reminds me "out of the blue", without me having to initiate a conversation, that it's time to leave for the gym, no "claw" or "ai" involved. I always have my backpack with me, so if I need milk I can pick it up on the way back. And I am pretty sure that I have to notice if I need milk myself. The tech sounds cool, but whenever I hear about actual applications, I don't see the point.

That's because you just lack of imagination. Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do? Examples: "Find me the cheapest ticket to Las Vegas for the first week of June. Buy one at anytime that you think is reasonable. Wait until no later than two months from now before buying. Get two tickets if my brother can also go". "Email me if anyone posts a Sega multi mega for sale. But only…

> Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do?

That’s kind of the confusing thing for me, I wouldn’t have a human personal assistant do anything for me as long as any money is on the line. I couldn’t teach them my preferences well enough to trust them to do it the way I want, instead of just doing it myself.

Personal assistants only make sense to me if you’re so rich that money doesn’t really matter to you anyways.

Your trip booking thing for example is something I would never give to a human assistant.

The alert for stuff on sale can already be done on the usual price tracking websites.

Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by furyofantares »

splatzone wrote: post #70
_pdp_ wrote: post #61

You don't need to use OpenClaw, NanoClaw or any of these new variants. You can literally use Codex, Claude Code, Gemini, OpenCode for the same thing. The only thing that it is missing from all of them is the communication channels because none of them come with native communication tools like OpenClaw. But this is not such a big deal. I made an open-source lightweight daemon in Go that fills that gap. All it does is…

What about heartbeats, cron etc? Seems like a major part of the 'claw' appeal is that it can work autonomously, monitor your email inbox for stuff and take action automatically...

I'd love if someone with experience can correct me if I'm wrong but in my experience it can do all of that really, really badly. I find the happy and most likely case for any sort of autonomous thing is that it totally fails to do anything. The sad case is it does the wrong thing. There's just no case where these things make good judgement calls or understand what you think is important.

I do still find some things useful about my nanoclaw setup - convenience and easy scheduling of LLM related tasks. Well, promising actually, not useful yet. But autonomy is not one of those things.

Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by bredren »

_pdp_ wrote: post #61

You don't need to use OpenClaw, NanoClaw or any of these new variants. You can literally use Codex, Claude Code, Gemini, OpenCode for the same thing. The only thing that it is missing from all of them is the communication channels because none of them come with native communication tools like OpenClaw. But this is not such a big deal. I made an open-source lightweight daemon in Go that fills that gap. All it does is…

I can’t see myself using most of these because I don’t want them having my conversations.

I really want a native iOS chat client that connects directly to my home server.

Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by cube00 »

signatoremo wrote: post #64
mpweiher wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno, my calendar reminds me "out of the blue", without me having to initiate a conversation, that it's time to leave for the gym, no "claw" or "ai" involved. I always have my backpack with me, so if I need milk I can pick it up on the way back. And I am pretty sure that I have to notice if I need milk myself. The tech sounds cool, but whenever I hear about actual applications, I don't see the point.

That's because you just lack of imagination. Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do? Examples: "Find me the cheapest ticket to Las Vegas for the first week of June. Buy one at anytime that you think is reasonable. Wait until no later than two months from now before buying. Get two tickets if my brother can also go". "Email me if anyone posts a Sega multi mega for sale. But only…

Good luck ever getting this to work when airlines still refuse to publish APIs and captcha anything that looks automated.

Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by zackify »

_pdp_ wrote: post #72
splatzone wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about heartbeats, cron etc? Seems like a major part of the 'claw' appeal is that it can work autonomously, monitor your email inbox for stuff and take action automatically...

You can do both with the cron daemon. But pantalk can also trigger the agent after some notifications are buffered too. So that also is a trigger. You don't really need one massive library. All operating systems have native ways to do all of these things and more. I don't know. You can even use systemd if you like.

Hahaha a year ago I did this. Crontab -e

Run Claude -p and Claude already has mcp,'s configured so it can do anything I wanted.

Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by plagiarist »

andai wrote: post #15
amelius wrote: post #6

Putting these NanoClowns inside a container will not protect you from all kinds of safety hazards.

That's the fun part! You spend all day hardening it... run it in docker in a vm on a separate machine. And then you hook it up to your gmail and give it unrestricted internet access :)

An exciting bet on whether the prompt injection will come from the open web or via email!

Re: NanoClaw moved from Apple Containers to Docker

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Post by mh2266 »

splatzone wrote: post #70
_pdp_ wrote: post #61

You don't need to use OpenClaw, NanoClaw or any of these new variants. You can literally use Codex, Claude Code, Gemini, OpenCode for the same thing. The only thing that it is missing from all of them is the communication channels because none of them come with native communication tools like OpenClaw. But this is not such a big deal. I made an open-source lightweight daemon in Go that fills that gap. All it does is…

What about heartbeats, cron etc? Seems like a major part of the 'claw' appeal is that it can work autonomously, monitor your email inbox for stuff and take action automatically...

I hear a lot about people doing this but it really seems like it is prompt injection as a service. eventually the things that can happen when you give the world write access to an unattended LLM that can access both your browser and password reset mechanism will happen.

or someone will just make it email lewd pics to people’s bosses for the lols

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