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Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by bpavuk »

surgical_fire wrote: post #70
bpavuk wrote: post #38

I remember being on a concert relatively recently, a few years ago. nearly everyone had their phones up, mine was in a pocket. no one made a single movement that resembled dance, everyone just... stood still. that differed by a great measure from several concerts I attended circa 2018-19. on both music fests, I was in flow. I've been dancing - it's a usual thing all humans naturally do when they hear rhythm that reso…

> I've been dancing - it's a usual thing all humans naturally do when they hear rhythm that resonates with them unless they consciously resist dancing for one reason or another. When I went to concerts it was heavy metal. No one was dancing. Unless you consider banging heads a form of dancing. People did sing along though. Last concerts I went to (respectively 2019 and 2024, I don't go to many concerts nowadays) peop…

> When I went to concerts it was heavy metal.

> No one was dancing. Unless you consider banging heads a form of dancing. People did sing along though.

my point is that people were engaging and interacting with and within music, not observing and recording it for the sake of internet points. so, yeah, in this context...

> banging heads

...is definitely a form of "dancing" :D

I mostly went to EDM, raves, and pop concerts. there, dancing is a lot more appropriate and welcome :)

> I don't live in the US. Maybe this is a bit of cultural differences in terms of geography and in terms of demographic for the genre?

me neither, but I observed this in Ukraine and (through friends and acquaintances) Poland, US, and Russia. something definitely shifted

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by dangus »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #69
dangus wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I enjoy watching the videos later. I don’t know why the techno-reactionary assumption is that the kids are just doing it for clout online, or that the kids recording aren’t enjoying themselves in the moment. To me, that viewpoint seems like an unsubstantiated assumption, and an embodiment of the “old man yelling at clouds” meme. I am fully capable of enjoying myself while recording a video/picture. You’d be a…

> My phone can literally see the stage better than my eyes can Feel sorry for you. Try spending less time in front of the screen.

What I mean is that I’m physically far away in the venue. My vision is far from perfect. My phone has 8x optical zoom.

I feel sorry for you, because it is probably challenging to be so judgmental and supercilious.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by wolvoleo »

I see a big counter movement though. I've been to many parties where phones are prohibited, if you bring one the cameras will be taped off. And anyone taking photos anyway will be approached by security.

I really love that. It makes parties carefree again because what happens in the club stays in the club. And the people that most applaud it are GenZ, to my suprise.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by wolvoleo »

surgical_fire wrote: post #70
bpavuk wrote: post #38

I remember being on a concert relatively recently, a few years ago. nearly everyone had their phones up, mine was in a pocket. no one made a single movement that resembled dance, everyone just... stood still. that differed by a great measure from several concerts I attended circa 2018-19. on both music fests, I was in flow. I've been dancing - it's a usual thing all humans naturally do when they hear rhythm that reso…

> I've been dancing - it's a usual thing all humans naturally do when they hear rhythm that resonates with them unless they consciously resist dancing for one reason or another. When I went to concerts it was heavy metal. No one was dancing. Unless you consider banging heads a form of dancing. People did sing along though. Last concerts I went to (respectively 2019 and 2024, I don't go to many concerts nowadays) peop…

> No one was dancing. Unless you consider banging heads a form of dancing

I certainly would. It's just the style of dancing with heavy metal.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by wolvoleo »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #33
rumori wrote: post #3

Berghain puts stickers on your phone cameras, it’s pretty non intrusive while substantially improving the party experience. I didn’t see a single phone in the air on the dancefloor. It was quite refreshing, felt like partying in the 2000s.

This is mentioned in the article: > More clubs have also been instituting “no phones” policies to reclaim the dance floor’s social energy. Venues including Signal, a small club that opened last year in Brooklyn’s East Williamsburg neighborhood, and recent addition Refuge, located just around the corner, cover all phone cameras with a sticker. Other larger, established venues like House of Yes and Elsewhere have also…

Yeah I've seen the same here in Europe. I think it's fantastic!

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by wolvoleo »

raffael_de wrote: post #63
rumori wrote: post #3

Berghain puts stickers on your phone cameras, it’s pretty non intrusive while substantially improving the party experience. I didn’t see a single phone in the air on the dancefloor. It was quite refreshing, felt like partying in the 2000s.

In Berghain this is also done for tangential, yet, rather specific reasons that do not apply to most clubs and discos.

Absolutely. But the reasoning is the same. A nightclub is where you go to let go. And being confronted with that later is inhibitive.

That applies whether you're taking your clothes off or just dance.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by wolvoleo »

DaedalusII wrote: post #48
blinding-streak wrote: post #39

Bloomberg is an interesting news outlet. My whole life I thought of them as purely financial-based reporting. But I've seen lots of lifestyle stuff from them too. And usually well written and interesting angles. Maybe journalism isn't totally dead yet.

they have to start pivoting as their core business model of charging a human being ~$30k USD to access a data terminal is dead with AI. now instead of having 10 human agents using 10 human terminals that costs $300k you can have 100 AI agents orchestrated into a single terminal that costs $30k its especially dead because people can begin to develop macros and tools to create alternatives to their system using raw dat…

Isn't the biggest value of the terminal really more of an exclusive social network than a stock tracker? You basically buy a rolodex with the who's who of business on speed dial.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by wolvoleo »

mellosouls wrote: post #5

A non-paywalled discussion on the subject from a year ago: Nightclub stickers over smartphone rule divides the dancefloor (85 points, 91 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42352825 I've never understood the appeal of so-called "dance" events. Crowds of thousands like sardines swaying-at-best to the DJ being treated as a rockstar but without the talent and entertainment as far as I can see. Note: this isn'…

Well, yes. I was in Ibiza in a techno club (Pascha) and yes. I had a great time dancing the first two hours but by the time it got 2am the club was so jampacked it took me half an hour to crawl through the crowd to the exit.

I don't think this is fun either, no. Definitely not possible to dance. They do have an expensive VIP area with lots of space but there people were just sitting at tables, not dancing either.

But most clubs I go to aren't overfilled like that.

Re: The dance floor is disappearing in a sea of phones

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Post by raffael_de »

wolvoleo wrote: post #76
raffael_de wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Berghain this is also done for tangential, yet, rather specific reasons that do not apply to most clubs and discos.

Absolutely. But the reasoning is the same. A nightclub is where you go to let go. And being confronted with that later is inhibitive. That applies whether you're taking your clothes off or just dance.

as far as I am concerned there should be a strict no-smartphone policy in every café, restaurant, bar, club, cinema, theater, concert etc. that would be amazing. or at least some should do it and i'd only go there.
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