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Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by beanjuiceII »

dml2135 wrote: post #58
ckbkr10 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still surprised how much drive this project has, a platform that doesn't want to support it and could introduce breaking changes any day. Just why?

There are millions of Macbooks out there that will be out of MacOS support one day. If this project diverts just a fraction of them from becoming e-waste for a little, it will be a win. And then beyond that, there is simply no laptop manufacturer that meets the quality of Apple's hardware design. I like Macs for their hardware, the software is a compromise. A linux macbook would be my ideal laptop.

dont most ppl just throw these laptops in the trash, or does someone give you money to turn an out of support mac in somewhere

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by Encounter »

amelius wrote: post #56
WD-42 wrote: post #43

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They are aware. They are also aware of the designs sitting in the cabinet right next to them in Cupertino that would make all the reverse engineering instantly unnecessary. Such a monumentally Sisyphean waste of effort in behalf of the Asahi devs in my opinion. If you care about personal computing or Linux, don’t buy a Mac.

> If you care about personal computing or Linux, don’t buy a Mac. ^ This Also, the security teams at Apple must be watching Asahi closely from an exploit-perspective. They are basically holes that must be patched.

From https://asahilinux.org/about/

> Apple allows booting unsigned/custom kernels on Apple Silicon Macs without a jailbreak! This isn’t a hack or an omission, but an actual feature that Apple built into these devices. That means that, unlike iOS devices, Apple does not intend to lock down what OS you can use on Macs (though they probably won’t help with the development).

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by _ph_ »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #14
ForHackernews wrote: post #6

This is incredibly impressive and also quite sad. Six years later, we have a very-nearly-right kernel for the M1. Apple is launching the M5. It seems like the future is going to be a world of closed systems and custom silicon, with any free software lagging far behind.

What do you expect when you nerds keep buying their closed systems?

The problem is, many "nerds" have little other options in hardware. Which ARM laptop would be the alternative? Even if you allow x86, which ones are as nice as the Macbooks? Then, there is the problem, that not everyone wants to be Linux-only in their setup. I definitely prefer macOS to W11.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by neobrain »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #47

Would anyone knows if asahi is ready to be a daily driver on the m1 sir tet? How is the battery life against stock macos?

For me, it has been ready as a daily driver for more than a year. Battery life is shorter than macos but still long enough that I don't have to think about it (which I can't say about any x86 laptops, even when they use iGPUs).

The notable missing features are external displays (an experimental kernel branch is publicly available though) and the fingerprint sensor. That's about it, though. Given the amount of polish combined with the hardware, it's arguably the most polished Linux laptop experience you'll get.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by MarsIronPI »

swiftcoder wrote: post #68
MarsIronPI wrote: post #61

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Maybe so, but nothing beats the 2008-2013 Thinkpad keyboards. The key travel and tactility are unmatched even by later Thinkpads. Also no trackpoint.

> nothing beats the 2008-2013 Thinkpad keyboards Maybe so, but 15-20 year old laptops are definitely starting to show their age. An M2 MacBook Pro, on the other hand, is only 4 years old, has a fairly OK keyboard, and is still in striking distance of current high-end ultrabooks when it comes to performance.

The only thing my X230 struggles to do is run LLMs locally. My needs are simple, and I think normal people (i.e. probably not most people on this site) don't have needs that are any more demanding than mine.

Granted, this is running GNU/Linux rather than Windows. If you're running Windows then yeah, they show their age.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by barnabee »

gr4vityWall wrote: post #3

Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course. Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable.

I still haven’t felt much urge to upgrade my 64gb MacBook Pro M1 Max.

The biggest issue I have with it is macOS Tahoe. Guess I really should be checking out Asahi on it!

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by nextaccountic »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #77
swiftcoder wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nothing beats the 2008-2013 Thinkpad keyboards Maybe so, but 15-20 year old laptops are definitely starting to show their age. An M2 MacBook Pro, on the other hand, is only 4 years old, has a fairly OK keyboard, and is still in striking distance of current high-end ultrabooks when it comes to performance.

The only thing my X230 struggles to do is run LLMs locally. My needs are simple, and I think normal people (i.e. probably not most people on this site) don't have needs that are any more demanding than mine. Granted, this is running GNU/Linux rather than Windows. If you're running Windows then yeah, they show their age.

Asahi Linux is certainly not targeted at "normal people". Normal people would just run macOS

There's this saying, all progress is done by unreasonable people, because reasonable people just accept things are the way they are

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