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Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by scotty79 » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 10:47 AM UTC

shanelja wrote: post #30

pervycreeper wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One would think that a company with $.12 trillion in the bank could afford to be classy once in a while.

Apple tends to be fairly ruthless in their dealings with other companies and act without remorse (like many other companies, Samsung of course included) and it's become the only way to survive in the horrific world of IP law suits. Unfortunately, the class you mention tends to be overshadowed by this. Apple can't afford to be classy, if it gives up it's bullying ways for even a short period of time, it will find that…

So far Samsung only fights with Apple with whole slew of superior products. Well... also Samsung marketing makes fun of Apple marketing if that counts as a fight.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by arrrg » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 10:48 AM UTC

chrisacky wrote: post #55

This isn't even an apology in the slightest. It's only on the UK site as well. (I've checked .de .com .fr and it's no where to be seen, which makes sense if you are Apple). However, if they are going to display it only in UK, then they should have at least spelt "judgment" correctly. They use "/uk/legal-judgement/" (Over in UK there is only a single "e" not two). Anyway, totally not an apology . It looks more like an…

If I’m reading the judgment correctly, the court never asked for an apology. The court asked Apple to present certain specific information – which Apple did. That’s all.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by v0cab » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 10:55 AM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #71

shanelja wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple tends to be fairly ruthless in their dealings with other companies and act without remorse (like many other companies, Samsung of course included) and it's become the only way to survive in the horrific world of IP law suits. Unfortunately, the class you mention tends to be overshadowed by this. Apple can't afford to be classy, if it gives up it's bullying ways for even a short period of time, it will find that…

So far Samsung only fights with Apple with whole slew of superior products. Well... also Samsung marketing makes fun of Apple marketing if that counts as a fight.

Oh, there was also the little incident where foreign phones were blocked from South Korea, including the original iPhone for two years.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by v0cab » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 10:57 AM UTC

Nursie wrote: post #35

smegel wrote: post #27

I don't really get why everyone is so down on Apple on HN (I am a Google/Android user FWIW). Sure they have pursued some questionable patent cases - but it is hard to deny they are one of the pre-eminent creators and makers in the world today - they have been truly innovative and brought massive change to multiple technology streams. They are about as far from being a hoarding patent troll as one could imagine yet th…

You could have written the same about MS in the 90s. It's not just that they're suing folks, it's that their actions seem to be deliberately designed to suppress the market and suppress competition. It doesn't feel genuine. And while they do innovate, I don't think they do half as much they're given credit for. They didn't invent the smartphone, nor the mp3 player, yet most people likely think they did.

> their actions seem to be deliberately designed to suppress the market and suppress competition

But then why aren't people on HN down on Samsung in the same way?

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by praptak » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 10:57 AM UTC

duiker101 wrote: post #5

"A judge said we must apology because we are cooler and so Samsung didn't copy because they aren't cool. But other judges said that we are cooler and Samsung still copied us! So we must be right!" Sincerely: a 6 year old.

"The defendant will now revoke the false accusations."

"Goldstein is not a crook?! Goldstein is not a thief?!"

"This intonation does not sound like a revocation at all."

"Your honour, I have read what has been written. The intonation has not been written here."

"Well, then at least apologize!"

"I apologize that Goldstein is a crook! I apologize that Goldstein is a thief!"

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by rmc » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 10:58 AM UTC

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #66

chrisacky wrote: post #55

This isn't even an apology in the slightest. It's only on the UK site as well. (I've checked .de .com .fr and it's no where to be seen, which makes sense if you are Apple). However, if they are going to display it only in UK, then they should have at least spelt "judgment" correctly. They use "/uk/legal-judgement/" (Over in UK there is only a single "e" not two). Anyway, totally not an apology . It looks more like an…

So a few things: 1) The order from the court was for the UK site only. This makes sense - it was a UK ruling from a UK court which has no jurisdiction in any other countries. There are separate cases in places like Germany. It make no sense for the UK courts to force Apple to make statements in other countries covering rulings made under laws that don't apply there and which may (and in some cases do) contradict ruli…

from a UK court

Pedantically, it appears to be from a English & Welsh court, not UK.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by rmc » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 11:00 AM UTC

bakedbeans wrote: post #44

Nursie wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have written the same about MS in the 90s. It's not just that they're suing folks, it's that their actions seem to be deliberately designed to suppress the market and suppress competition. It doesn't feel genuine. And while they do innovate, I don't think they do half as much they're given credit for. They didn't invent the smartphone, nor the mp3 player, yet most people likely think they did.

Nobody credits them for inventing the smartphone. They invented the iPhone. Nobody credits them for inventing the mp3 player. They invented the iPod.

For a large percentage of the population, "mp3 player = ipod" and "smartphone = iphone".

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by chrisacky » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 11:05 AM UTC

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #66

chrisacky wrote: post #55

This isn't even an apology in the slightest. It's only on the UK site as well. (I've checked .de .com .fr and it's no where to be seen, which makes sense if you are Apple). However, if they are going to display it only in UK, then they should have at least spelt "judgment" correctly. They use "/uk/legal-judgement/" (Over in UK there is only a single "e" not two). Anyway, totally not an apology . It looks more like an…

So a few things: 1) The order from the court was for the UK site only. This makes sense - it was a UK ruling from a UK court which has no jurisdiction in any other countries. There are separate cases in places like Germany. It make no sense for the UK courts to force Apple to make statements in other countries covering rulings made under laws that don't apply there and which may (and in some cases do) contradict ruli…

On your point 3) If I can remember correctly from my law lectures, "judgments" are reserved exclusively for the legal usage (courts, tribunals etc). There is only one correct spelling of "judgment" in the legal sense, everywhere else gives a judgement as to their opinion on a matter, the difference being, that if someone passes a judgment then you know it has come from a legally binding court of law.

I would regularly get a red pen marker through my essays if I used the wrong version (so you quickly get things like this drilled into you). If it's written with the "e" version on justice.gov.uk then they are either using it wrong, or they are using the non legal version (ie "In my judgement this painting looks like a fake", compared to, "In the courts judgment, the painting was a held to be a forgery").

It might seem pedantic, but I guess that's the way law is. For instance, court and Court (when used legally) also mean and can refer to two different things.

On point 2) Do you think that Apple made it clear that the court ruled in favour of Samsung? One line was given to this, whereas 20+ was given to why Apple feel that this judgment was a mistake? I've updated my original comment anyway.

(I agree that they didn't have to include the link for other countries as per your first point).

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by Tyrannosaurs » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 11:12 AM UTC

rmc wrote: post #76

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a few things: 1) The order from the court was for the UK site only. This makes sense - it was a UK ruling from a UK court which has no jurisdiction in any other countries. There are separate cases in places like Germany. It make no sense for the UK courts to force Apple to make statements in other countries covering rulings made under laws that don't apply there and which may (and in some cases do) contradict ruli…

from a UK court Pedantically, it appears to be from a English & Welsh court, not UK.

I live in Scotland, I really shouldn't have got that wrong.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by belorn » Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 11:14 AM UTC

smegel wrote: post #27

I don't really get why everyone is so down on Apple on HN (I am a Google/Android user FWIW). Sure they have pursued some questionable patent cases - but it is hard to deny they are one of the pre-eminent creators and makers in the world today - they have been truly innovative and brought massive change to multiple technology streams. They are about as far from being a hoarding patent troll as one could imagine yet th…

The reason a lot of the technology crowd is against Apple is that Apple get incorrectly attributed as innovators. For those that actually work at the innovative frontier of the software industry, seeing the wrong company getting credit for other peoples hard work is infuriating.

One do not see the design crowd being angry at Apple. Those that work with design, tend to agree that apple is innovative in the area of design and user interaction. In the area of design, apple is correct to be attributed for being innovative and thus little hate.

But technology wise, apple has brought forth close to nothing in innovation, and has brought forth a bunch of obvious patent instead. Added, they lock down devices so to almost taunt those that want to innovate. Thus, As an technology developer on the market, Apple is a horrible company. The only positive thing Apple has given to technology developers has been the marketing power, which has opened up monetization for areas like smartphones and other handheld devices.