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Discord just killed anonymity

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Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by wolvoleo »

duskwuff wrote: post #67
stackghost wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use a few niche IRC channels and run my own internal IRC network as a home automation message bus, so I'm a fan of IRC for its simplicity, but honestly: IRC really does need a modernization. Things like image embeds, "markdown lite" formatting, and cross-device synchronization are now considered table stakes. There are always going to be some EFnet-type grognards who resist progress because reasons, but they…

> Things like [...] are now considered table stakes. One other feature that's absolutely considered table stakes now is persistent server-side history, with the ability to edit and delete messages. Modern chat services are less like IRC, and more like a web forum with live updates. (Yes, you can poorly emulate server-side history on IRC with a bouncer. That's not enough, and it's a pain for users to set up.)

There's also quassel which solves the problem a bit like a bouncer but it's way more integrated, it just loads the scrollback on demand instead of just banging the latest 200 lines into my buffer when I connect. Solves the problem perfectly IMO and there's a really excellent android client.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by philipov »

duskwuff wrote: post #64
legitster wrote: post #34

https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-... > For the majority of adult users, we will be able to confirm your age group using information we already have. We use age prediction to determine, with high confidence, when a user is an adult. This allows many adults to access age-appropriate features without completing an explicit age check. > Facial scans never leave your device. Discord and our vend…

Even wilder - they're claiming to look at a user's activity on the platform - like what servers they're on, what games they play, and what hours they're active - and infer adulthood from that. No way that'd pass legal muster.

I'm curious just how wrong they're going to be about the ages of people who work from home or use a mobile device at work.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by duskwuff »

wolvoleo wrote: post #71
duskwuff wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Things like [...] are now considered table stakes. One other feature that's absolutely considered table stakes now is persistent server-side history, with the ability to edit and delete messages. Modern chat services are less like IRC, and more like a web forum with live updates. (Yes, you can poorly emulate server-side history on IRC with a bouncer. That's not enough, and it's a pain for users to set up.)

There's also quassel which solves the problem a bit like a bouncer but it's way more integrated, it just loads the scrollback on demand instead of just banging the latest 200 lines into my buffer when I connect. Solves the problem perfectly IMO and there's a really excellent android client.

It's still not server-side history, though - you can't join a channel and see what happened before you joined, or edit a message you've already sent. It's just a slightly cleaner implementation of an IRC bouncer.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by renewiltord »

CivBase wrote: post #65
renewiltord wrote: post #44

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Indeed, I've been saying this for decades now. Hacker News needs usernames to post. How long before they require real names? And then how long before they require IDs for those real names? And then how long before they need you to show up in person with your IDs for those real names? And then how long before they need you to bring notarized documents in person with your IDs for those real names? All so that we can po…

I gave reasons for why Discord would escalate things. Your mocking example did not. That's the difference between a slippery slope fallacy and a legitimate argument.

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Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by orbital-decay »

Aurornis wrote: post #10

> Discord dropped the hammer: mandatory age verification for all users is rolling out next month. The era of anonymous gaming chats is officially over. This isn't really accurate. Age verification is not mandatory for all accounts. You will be able to join a Discord with your friends, chat, and do voice without age verification. Here's the exact list of what's restricted if you don't verify: > Content Filters: Discor…

A ton of very niche communities are age-restricted and there's no way users in them would doxx themselves, so this is the end of those communities.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by wolvoleo »

echelon wrote: post #40
Aurornis wrote: post #32

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> 1. A way for politicians and the state to track porn habits to US citizens and use that information against them in the future. This topic really brings out the crazy conspiracy theories. No, politicians are not using Discord age verification to track constituents' porn habits and blackmail them with it later.

You poor summer child. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexpionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vassall https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/how-no... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/nsa-tracking-online-po... https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/echoing-dirty-pa... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/27/nsa-files-live... It's such a successf…

The best thing against this is to promote sex-positive values. You can't be blackmailed about some sex habits if you're not going to be ashamed of them :) it will also really tick conservatives off which isn't a bad side-effect.

The only sexual habits people should be ashamed of are non-consensual sex and anything underage of course.

But the conservative values are the very reason many people can be blackmailed in the first place.

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