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Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Just out of curiosity. Are there any companies today that are seen the way Google used to be seen, as a generally “good” corporation/companies that are also a important player? Maybe Mozilla Foundation?

Maybe Valve?

Agreed. Nvidia too maybe? That said, Nvidia is highly competitive and has built a walled garden via their software so I have mixed feelings.

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So I don't think I actually have a problem with businesses handing over their customer data if there is a valid warrant or subpoena. That's the system working as intended. The main crux of the problem here is that the DHS has been granted a wide berth by congress to issue administrative subpoenas - i.e. not reviewed by a real judge and not directed at criminals. In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.…

There will always be the opportunity for the foibles of humans to affect the procedures of the law. Trying to play "guess if the shadowy government agency is doing the right thing this week" is a losing game. They always take the proverbial mile, they are not ever going to be satisfied with the inch.

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I left google search for duckduckgo a few years ago due to all the marketing drivel returned. I guess there is yet another, better reason, to avoid google. As for gmail, it joined my old yahoo mail as a dumping ground. If some site wants an email, they get my gmail address, which I never go to these days. But how did google get this person's info ? Are they spying on their emails, or worse yet, are they scraping data…

Just wish I could get off gcal. Too many friends/family on it

Fastmail's calendar works reasonably well. My two complaints with it:

- There isn't a convenient calendar widget; Google's calendar widget only works with Google's calendar. I'd like something exactly like Google's calendar widget but working with Fastmail's calendar.

- Sites that integrate with Google Calendar but not with arbitrary CalDAV servers.

I could live without the latter, but the former is a dealbreaker; I'd switch given a functional widget that is fully self-contained and doesn't require some separate sync app.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic seems to be chasing that angle (c.f. their run of "AI that doesn't advertise to you" commercials).

They have contracts with Palantir.

GP's question was about perception, not reality.

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Just out of curiosity. Are there any companies today that are seen the way Google used to be seen, as a generally “good” corporation/companies that are also a important player? Maybe Mozilla Foundation?

Blizzard, Microsoft come to mind

yep re blizzard. they've gotten lots better since the msft acquisition, based on my (limited) experiences with the newer employees there.

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blizzard is a bunch of sex pests and Microsoft is the guys with the AI upsells on every inch of their OS...

Wasn't Blizzard pretty alright back when Diablo 2 was released? and then LoD?

All that was Blizzard North honestly. So it depended on locality.

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What are some ways users can insulate themselves from something like this?

Don't use products from large US tech companies? Apple has a slightly better track record than Google of fighting this stuff, but ultimately if you're using a product from a US tech company then it's likely ICE can get their grubby little mitts on everything that company knows about you

Alternatively, use them pseudonymously? There's little reason any of these companies need to know your real identity. This will both reduce the likelihood of ICE finding your account from a real-life interaction, as well as reduce the likelihood of ICE finding your real-life identity if they do get your account data (they'd at least need to dig through it more than just going by first/last name on the account itself).

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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So I don't think I actually have a problem with businesses handing over their customer data if there is a valid warrant or subpoena. That's the system working as intended. The main crux of the problem here is that the DHS has been granted a wide berth by congress to issue administrative subpoenas - i.e. not reviewed by a real judge and not directed at criminals. In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.…

> In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.

These times never existed.

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the ACLU, they are not [1]. So Google voluntarily handed over user information. It requires a court order to enforce it and that requires a judge to sign off on it. This is somewhat analogous to ICE's use of administrative warrants, which really have no legal standing. They certainly don't allow ICE to enter a private abode. You need a judicial warrant for that. That too requires a judge to sign off on i…

> They certainly don't allow ICE to enter a private abode. I'd just note that ICE is (falsely) claiming otherwise these days. https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-... "Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a s…

And ICE/DHS leadership is openly issuing memos advising agents to ignore Federal Court rulings. It's so fucked up.
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