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Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#71
https://www.facebook.com/business/power-of-advertising this claims facebook gets 3.2 bn likes everyday. http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-now-has-9... this says facebook has 500+ mn daily users.

I going to describe my own hypothesis called "Dilution of your likes":

The above two numbers mean, one user is doing 6 likes on an average. And that fellow is doing the samething everyday. He is of course going through more brands & websites. No. of likes in a year is 6365=2190. Your site has garnered 50000 likes so far. Lets assume all are from different users. And you had been in business for 2 yrs (I think you mentioned it above). Over NEXT (assuming the same stats for facebook and your like growth) two years, your existing 50000 unique fans have also liked 219050000=109,500,000 (100 mn likes). And you are expected to have another 50000 to 100,000 likes with a similar growth. A single like on your website is valued at 1 in 1 mn + (1 to 2 mn) = 2 to 3 mn. taking account of your new likes also.

Everybody is talking about the number of likes in their website and thats what facebook is showing. EdgeRank (IMHO) looks at the ratio between your likes and their all other likes - let me tell you why - in order to compare yourself to others and decide which post is relavent to him. And I am also making an educated guess that EdgeRank also looks at the timestamp of the like they gave you.

I liked you yesterday. Today I like Coke. That could be interpreted as Coke is my new Dangerousminds (to some degree atleast). And tomorrow Pepsi is my new Coke. Just speculating here... And I request someone who understands EdgeRank can correct my guess please. And your frequency of writing 12 posts a day could also be made known if I am facebook, I will see the latest like on your site and for 24 hrs / 12 = 2 hrs you are not updating your content and maybe facebook wants to take its users to new posts that they will like in those two hours. And Coke is not your competition because don't forget he has liked 1 mn other things which even if 1 % of them is creating a new post only once 1 day, your post is competing with 10,000 posts within those 2 hours. And Even if the user is refreshing for new posts every second of the two hours, 7200 times, you have more than 1 competition.

Every post on facebook must be given a number using some logic. You can compare only two numbers and decide. And EdgeRank assigns a number to all fed posts.

And they cant compare your post with all other posts to decide. One obvious way is to cluster the ones according to the user and decide as quickly as possible (within one sec max). How much computation can EdgeRank do for one user by the way? Cloud computing for 1 user? You might need the whole sky.

All are seeing the number of likes. Thats the numerator. But the total number of likes by the users in facebook is the denominator. And that is growing. Diluting the value of your post each time your own fan who liked you is liking something else.

Please comment. Thank you.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#72
https://www.facebook.com/business/power-of-advertising this claims facebook gets 3.2 bn likes everyday. http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-now-has-9... this says facebook has 500+ mn daily users.

I going to describe my own hypothesis called "Dilution of your likes":

The above two numbers mean, one user is doing 6 likes on an average. And that fellow is doing the samething everyday. He is of course going through more brands & websites. No. of likes in a year is 6365=2190. Your site has garnered 50000 likes so far. Lets assume all are from different users. And you had been in business for 2 yrs (I think you mentioned it above). Over NEXT (assuming the same stats for facebook and your like growth) two years, your existing 50000 unique fans have also liked 219050000=109,500,000 (100 mn likes). And you are expected to have another 50000 to 100,000 likes with a similar growth. A single like on your website is valued at 1 in 1 mn + (1 to 2 mn) = 2 to 3 mn. taking account of your new likes also.

Everybody is talking about the number of likes in their website and thats what facebook is showing. EdgeRank (IMHO) looks at the ratio between your likes and their all other likes - let me tell you why - in order to compare yourself to others and decide which post is relavent to him. And I am also making an educated guess that EdgeRank also looks at the timestamp of the like they gave you.

I liked you yesterday. Today I like Coke. That could be interpreted as Coke is my new Dangerousminds (to some degree atleast). And tomorrow Pepsi is my new Coke. Just speculating here... And I request someone who understands EdgeRank can correct my guess please. And your frequency of writing 12 posts a day could also be made known if I am facebook, I will see the latest like on your site and for 24 hrs / 12 = 2 hrs you are not updating your content and maybe facebook wants to take its users to new posts that they will like in those two hours. And Coke is not your competition because don't forget he has liked 1 mn other things which even if 1 % of them is creating a new post only once 1 day, your post is competing with 10,000 posts within those 2 hours. And Even if the user is refreshing for new posts every second of the two hours, 7200 times, you have more than 1 competition.

Every post on facebook must be given a number using some logic. You can compare only two numbers and decide. And EdgeRank assigns a number to all fed posts.

And they cant compare your post with all other posts to decide. One obvious way is to cluster the ones according to the user and decide as quickly as possible (within one sec max). How much computation can EdgeRank do for one user by the way? Cloud computing for 1 user? You might need the whole sky.

All are seeing the number of likes. Thats the numerator. But the total number of likes by the users in facebook is the denominator. And that is growing. Diluting the value of your post each time your own fan who liked you is liking something else.

Please comment. Thank you.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#73
post #6

I had hoped this article was going to be able how to convince your friends to communicate with a medium other than Facebook.

This post misses the biggest logical point that is vitally needed: there was no Newsfeed in the beginning. At all. Then there was a Newsfeed. Then it showed more than just wall posts. Then there were TOO MANY things on it, so they scaled it back. The Newsfeed was an experiment, and it worked, but it needed tweaking. That's why this happened. That they now allow you to pay to promote is secondary to the original origi…

Can you actually get similar results to paying for promotion just by having really engaging, viral content?

My understanding was that this doesn't work so well anymore. I think paid promotion should be a way of boosting the visibility of content, but definitely not at the expense of content that would have spread virally if it wasn't artificially limited.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#74
User: Oh, hello Facebook. Can you help me find out what my friends are doing?

Facebook: Oh, definitely. Just have a look at your NewsFeed and see what they're doing.

User: Wait, I've got 2000 friends. Why am I only getting a NewsFeed post twice an hour?

Facebook: Because we decided that's the information that you're most likely to want.

User: But what if I want to know what everyone's doing at any specific moment?

Twitter: Can I be of assistance?

User: Oh, hello Twitter.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#75
post #58
post #28

If you're posting 10-16 posts a day and you forcibly put each of these into 100% of your fans, you're going to shrink your base. If you did that to me, I'm going to hide or Unlike your page. If you emailed me those posts, I'd be hitting unsubscribe in half a day. The Facebook News Feed isn't an RSS reader, and the Like button isn't Subscribe. I would suggest just posting once a day, and using the Promoted Posts for t…

So what? Annoying pages can get un-liked, and the problem will work itself out. But if someone is a "Fan" of the brand and wants to see all of their 15 posts in a day, it's frustrating they can't. The default in Facebook is always "Most Popular", and even when I change it to "Most Recent" (to see the long tail of my friends activities, since I don't trust Facebook), Facebook always sets it back.

If you have a page you're interested in following just add it to your interest lists on Facebook. This way you can turn Facebook into your own personal reader. The main Facebook feed has its downfalls and limitations but if you take a couple minutes to create your own personalized friend lists and interest lists you bypass this problem completely.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any large-scale statistical tests backing up your assertion that if you push 10 posts a day to peoples' Facebook feeds, your readership will shrink? I don't disbelieve your assertion that you personally would find it annoying, but I know a good number of large, successful blogging brands do indeed push to social media multiple times a day, and it seems to work for them. Several of said brands have indeed…

I would say it all depends on the reach. If a company publishes 10 posts a day, without promoting them, then I would think that only a few of the fans will get more than 2 or 3 of the posts that day (if we're to go with the 10%-20% estimate in the article). Now if you were to promote all those 10 posts, and 99% of your fans would see them all, then most will get annoyed. And if they don't get annoyed within the first…

Your fans will only see them all if they're on Facebook 24/7, surely? (Or if they're drilling down through the timeline, bored).

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#77
post #28

If you're posting 10-16 posts a day and you forcibly put each of these into 100% of your fans, you're going to shrink your base. If you did that to me, I'm going to hide or Unlike your page. If you emailed me those posts, I'd be hitting unsubscribe in half a day. The Facebook News Feed isn't an RSS reader, and the Like button isn't Subscribe. I would suggest just posting once a day, and using the Promoted Posts for t…

If you did it to me I'd have the same reaction, but I'm not most people-- I log onto Facebook something like once a month, and use the magic of RSS feeds instead of fan pages.

For people who don't use RSS, or want a consolidated feed of "all the things my friends are doing" plus "all the articles this place has posted today to their Facebook feed", 10-16 posts a day isn't any more overwhelming than, say, an RSS Feed from Techdirt with 10-16 posts a day.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#78
post #28

If you're posting 10-16 posts a day and you forcibly put each of these into 100% of your fans, you're going to shrink your base. If you did that to me, I'm going to hide or Unlike your page. If you emailed me those posts, I'd be hitting unsubscribe in half a day. The Facebook News Feed isn't an RSS reader, and the Like button isn't Subscribe. I would suggest just posting once a day, and using the Promoted Posts for t…

Shouldn't it just be a deteriorating reach % after your first/second post of the day? That would be a better middle-ground than making $ by suddenly handicapping user's FB page reach.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#80

If I'm reading this correctly, the problem is that something that the author thinks should be free costs money, so Facebook is now "demanding that a $365 million dollar ransom gets collected from all the Mom & Pop businesses who use Facebook." Uh huh. "Mom & Pop business" seems to be the new "won't somebody please think of the children" line designed to extinguish all rational thought. I'm getting a little tired of i…

I'm curious why you think they should be out of business.

You can find better selection, better prices, and better advice on the Internet. Also, Jeff bezos doesn't give me the "I hate young people" stink eye when I browse his store.

The local hardware store opens at 9:00am. Or 9:30. Or whenever pop finishes his breakfast. Because whatever I have planned for the day is not nearly as urgent as his crossword puzzle. That shit doesn't happen at Home Depot.

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