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What would be an example city? Waymo just announced they're ramping up in Boston: https://waymo.com/blog/?modal=short-back-to-boston "we’re excited to continue effectively adapting to Boston’s cobblestones, narrow alleyways, roundabouts and turnpikes."

Any small city in Italy is going to be 10X more challenging than Boston

Depends, which is harder: a narrow street or a three lane one with no obvious lane markers with people double parking?

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Yes, let's stop all progress and roll-back all automation to keep hypothetical angry people with guns happy.

Autonomous private cars is not the technological progress you think it is. We’ve had autonomous trains for decades, and while it provides us with a more efficient and cost effective public transit system, it didn’t open the doors for the next revolutionary technology. Self driving cars is a dead end technology, that will introduce a whole host of new problems which are already solved with public transit, better urban…

> We’ve had autonomous trains for decades

Trains need tracks, cars - already have the infrastructure to drive on.

> Self driving cars is a dead end technology, that will introduce a whole host of new problems which are already solved with public transit, better urban planning, etc.

Self driving cars will literally become a part of public transit

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Deepmind's Project Genie under the hood (pun intended). Deepmind & Waymo both Alphabet(Google) subsidiaries obv.

https://deepmind.google/blog/genie-3-a-new-frontier-for-worl...

Discussed here,eg.

Genie 3: A new frontier for world models (1510 points, 497 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44798166

Project Genie: Experimenting with infinite, interactive worlds (673 points, 371 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46812933

Re: The Waymo World Model

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Imagine driving in a Waymo 'out of a raging fire'. Talk about edge cases. But, what would you do? Trust the Waymo, or get out (or never get in) at the first sign of trouble?

Interesting question. If the Waymo was driving aggressively to remove us from the situation but relatively safely I might stay in it. This does bring up something, though: Waymo has a "pull over" feature, but it's hidden behind a couple of touch screen actions involving small virtual buttons and it does not pull over immediately. Instead, it "finds a spot to pull over". I would very much like a big red STOP IMMEDIATE…

Can you not just unlock and open the door? Wouldn't that cause it to immediately stop? Or can you not unlock the door manually? I'd be surprised if there was not an emergency door release.

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The purpose of lidar is to prove error correction when you need it most in terms of camera accuracy loss. Humans do this, just in the sense of depth perception with both eyes.

> Humans do this, just in the sense of depth perception with both eyes. Humans do this with vibes and instincts, not just depth perception. When I can't see the lines on the road because there's too much slow, I can still interpret where they would be based on my familiarity with the roads and my implicit knowledge of how roads work, e.g. We do similar things for heavy rain or fog, although, sometimes those situation…

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Interesting that this should come out right as lawmakers are beginning to understand that Waymos have overseas operators making major decisions. [*] https://futurism.com/advanced-transport/waymos-controlled-wo...

Why is this relevant at all?

Having humans in the loop at some level is necessary for handling rare edge cases safely.

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One interesting thing from this paper is how big of a LiDaR shadow there is around the waymo car which suggests they rely on cameras for anything close (maybe they have radar too?). Seems LiDaR is only useful for distant objects.

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Interesting that this should come out right as lawmakers are beginning to understand that Waymos have overseas operators making major decisions. [*] https://futurism.com/advanced-transport/waymos-controlled-wo...

Why is this relevant at all? Having humans in the loop at some level is necessary for handling rare edge cases safely.

If that’s true the system isn’t finished. That’s what reasoning is for.
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