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TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

#71
I'm skeptical about banning design patterns just because people might overuse them. Growing up, I had to go to the theater to see movies, but that didn't make cliffhangers and sequels any less compelling. Now we binge entire Netflix series and that's fine, but short-form video needs government intervention? The real question is: where do we draw the line between protecting people from manipulative design and respecting their ability to make their own choices? If we're worried about addictive patterns, those exist everywhere—streaming platforms, social feeds, gaming, even email notifications. My concern isn't whether TikTok's format is uniquely dangerous. It's whether we trust adults to manage their own media consumption, or if we need regulatory guardrails for every compelling app. I'd rather see us focus on media literacy and transparency than constantly asking governments to protect us from ourselves.

You can't legislate intelligence...

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they would if this becomes illegal. EU laws are slow, sometimes stupid, but consistent.

The problem I have with the way the EU doles out these punishments is that they like to spring them on tech companies after years and years of radio silence and then suddenly it’s “hey TikTok, we just determined you’ve been breaking the law for years, pay us a couple billion please.” Like, where were they years ago saying “hey TikTok, we think your design is addictive and probably illegal, you need to change or face…

> Otherwise it just seems like the EU waits for years and years until a company is a big enough player and then retroactively decides they’ve been breaking the law for years.

Lol. It's never like this.

These companies are given plenty of warnings and deadlines. After years and years of ignoring them these companies get slapped with a fine and start playing the victim.

BTW at this point DSA has been in effect for three years

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

#74

Might be a generational thing, but I never understood the "shorts" (in any format on any social network). I can watch a 9 hour video on GTA games without problems (not in one sitting, but in parts), but 3 'shorts' in a row with not enough info and explanation to be interesting makes me close any of the 'shorts' apps (tiktok, youtube shorts, instagram....). (eg, the 9 hour video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Faxpr_…

You likely weren’t wired into it while your brain was developing.

There’s clear scientific evidence that these shorts trigger addiction-like behavior[1]. The detrimental effects on a kid’s brain development can be inferred[2]. A reasonable argument could made that it’s not so different from things like nicotine, alcohol or other drugs when it comes to child brain development. I believe these companies know this and willfully push it on kids anyway.

Edit: And I think it’s really telling that China has some of the strictest state-led anti-addiction and youth protection policies globally[3].

[1]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105381192...

[2]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105381192...

[3] https://cjil.uchicago.edu/print-archive/kids-no-phones-dinne...

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

#76
The headline overstates what actually happened. Ironic that they’re using clickbait headlines on an article about a service using tricks to get people to engage with something.

They haven’t concluded anything yet. It’s early in the process and they’re opening the process of having TikTok engage and respond.

The article starts with a headline the makes it sound like the conclusion was already made, then the more you read the more it becomes clear that this is the early part of an investigation, not an actual decision.

> Now European Union regulators say those same features that made TikTok so successful are likely illegal.

> No timeline was given on when authorities will make a final decision in the case.

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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You can try and squeeze a free speech absolutism story out of it, but the reality is that this has been a story since Microsoft got into cable news.

At that point it was a game of "I'm not slandering you" to chip away at every other valuation, that could have easily have just been called antitrust because they didn't build it. That was 1996-2005 and went completely unchecked.

This is similar but the stack was even cheaper, and closer to more people's faces.

Even if governments take no recourse, I don't see an issue with government using it's position to put a food pyramid in citizen's faces to say like, "this can be harmful." The church probably would have if this were long ago, except, instead of fire and brimstone, some sort of epic story of social isolation, permanent dissatisfaction, and self-imposed constraints, alien abduction, transformation into a pig by a wizard?

There's probably a lot of visceral fears that would be worthy analogs to the harms of the feed.

I don't think that this narrative has been explored enough, honestly. Corps keep building crap like this, even amazon has (had?) an influencer feed.

People who are in play/leisure should probably practice tolerating more choices than "express mild, momentary dissatisfaction and receive an instantaneous reward"... that's probably not a life everyone should be trained to live

Re: TikTok's 'addictive design' found to be illegal in Europe

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post #48
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they would if this becomes illegal. EU laws are slow, sometimes stupid, but consistent.

The problem I have with the way the EU doles out these punishments is that they like to spring them on tech companies after years and years of radio silence and then suddenly it’s “hey TikTok, we just determined you’ve been breaking the law for years, pay us a couple billion please.” Like, where were they years ago saying “hey TikTok, we think your design is addictive and probably illegal, you need to change or face…

You answered it yourself. They can't extract billions if the company is still small.
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