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Invention of DNA "page numbers" opens up possibilities for the bioeconomy

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Pretty cool technique using complementary overhangs and toehold sequences to generate a 3-way heteroduplex, ligate knick, and then remove barcode duplex.

They don't give much details on how the barcode duplex is removed though. I guess ultimately the barcode duplex strands can just be melted off and the ligated strand can be used to template off of.

If this can be made into an easy to use kit, can really make vector generation much easier and hopefully not locked into proprietary systems.

I can imagine a company that bioinformatically generates libraries of common long oligos with corresponding barcode and allow end-users to select oligos to modularly ligate together in a one pot reaction. Cool stuff.

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If you live near a community bio lab see if you can join up and take some classes to learn some basic lab techniques. And some sort of intro bio class via mooc/textbook/local college class whatever if you can but community lab is honestly a great place to start if you have one. The main thing to keep in mind is that all the stuff that involves analogies between software and biology is almost universally a bullshit ov…

TIL community biolabs are a thing ... Are they really? Is this just limited to some very specific areas with an active biotech scene?

In my part of the world it is a common thing among high schoolers, which form associations and use labs at school or a local university.

It's not uncommon that adults do something similar and run a community workshop with whatever the members are interested in.

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Sometime after 685 AD, they invented spaces between words. All text - in Latin to that point, mostly - was written in scriptio continua. All sorts of ambiguity and hilarity would ensue; to be a good writer, you needed to ensure that words didn't bleed together and form incorrect meanings in unintended combinations. If you lost your place when reading, you'd have to know generally where you were in a scroll, and resta…

Also kind of crazy how long “but that’s the way we’ve always done it” can remain the dominant system, despite a revolutionary change being so trivially achievable. This required absolutely no technological advancement, literally just putting a little more space between letters to reduce ambiguity.

English is good example. It has not been fixed for long while. Even if there would be so many better ways to write certain words.

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Pretty cool technique using complementary overhangs and toehold sequences to generate a 3-way heteroduplex, ligate knick, and then remove barcode duplex. They don't give much details on how the barcode duplex is removed though. I guess ultimately the barcode duplex strands can just be melted off and the ligated strand can be used to template off of. If this can be made into an easy to use kit, can really make vector…

> using complementary overhangs and toehold sequences to generate a 3-way heteroduplex, ligate knick, and then remove barcode duplex

At first I thought this was about olympic figure skating, but after a bit of googling I think:

Complementary overhang - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_and_blunt_ends

Toehold sequences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toehold_mediated_strand_displa...

Ligate (ligase?) knick (nick?) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_(DNA)

Barcode - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_barcoding

Heteroduplex - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteroduplex

Re: Invention of DNA "page numbers" opens up possibilities for the bioeconomy

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Pretty cool technique using complementary overhangs and toehold sequences to generate a 3-way heteroduplex, ligate knick, and then remove barcode duplex. They don't give much details on how the barcode duplex is removed though. I guess ultimately the barcode duplex strands can just be melted off and the ligated strand can be used to template off of. If this can be made into an easy to use kit, can really make vector…

We’ve been able to do this type of nucleotide 3D engineering for a while. I used to use large DNA branched complexed fluorophores to label cDNA back when I was in grad school. They were more or less mixed of DNA that self assembled into larger hairballs.

But branched DNA is really interesting. It’s a bit hard to get my head around. We spend so much time thinking about DNA in the 2D sequence sense, it’s easy to forget that it exists in 3D space.

I’m honestly not sure how different this really is to the traditional ways of doing this (with custom oligos). The common set of large self-hybridizing oligos is definitely easier, but you still have to have compatible tag overhangs between your two fragments. Meaning, it isn’t quite as universal and you’ll still need work to pair the fragments together. But where I think it might be useful is if you have a set of common hybridizing pairs that can be easily located onto the custom flanking oligos. You’ll still need some sequence analysis to get your custom oligos, but it would make the process more “standardized”.

I think the main bonus here is the self correcting selection… that you only end up with matching pairs linking together, so you could really have a mix in a one tube reaction that links many kilobase fragments together. That’s quite nice. And useful. And still cool.

One thing that is interesting is that this is another step towards getting the “writing” step of DNA analysis better. For the past 50+ years, we’ve developed all sorts of tools for reading DNA. It’s only really been the past 20-ish or so that we’ve had tools for writing. And now we can write longer chunks. That’s all a good thing.

Not sure I think it’s revolutionary (yet), but that’s a university PR release for you! I’m still thinking about the paper.

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Chemical modifications of DNA are so amazing, and underpin so much DNA related research and engineering. Illumina and Moderna would not exist without DNA mods. It’s very cool that the set of tools is expanding further! “ Guided by the removable DNA page numbers, Sidewinder achieves an incredibly high fidelity in DNA construction with a measured misconnection rate of just one in one million, a four to five magnitude i…

I don’t think PCR is necessarily relevant here. I had the impression that this would be lost useful at linking multi-kb fragments together. If we are looking at sizes much above 2kb, PCR is going to struggle to generate full length fragments efficiently.

I didn’t see this technique as having DNA modification per-se, but a novel way to managing the hybridization process. It’s stock (well engineered) oligos, if I read it correctly.

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Also kind of crazy how long “but that’s the way we’ve always done it” can remain the dominant system, despite a revolutionary change being so trivially achievable. This required absolutely no technological advancement, literally just putting a little more space between letters to reduce ambiguity.

English is good example. It has not been fixed for long while. Even if there would be so many better ways to write certain words.

I feel like Mathematical notation is also a great example (since Math is ultimately a separate language: the language of measurement)

It's been built up over centuries where new innovations and shifts in perspective often create new kinds of notation, but those most frequently just get tacked onto whatever else is already standard and the new notations almost never actually supplant the old.

AFAICT we haven't really had a big shift in fundamental mathematical notation in Europe (and its colonies) since Roman Numerals (CXXIII) gave way to Arabic (123) numerals four hundred years ago. 8I

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That page numbers in books were only invented 50 years after the printing press is a fun snippet from the article

Sometime after 685 AD, they invented spaces between words. All text - in Latin to that point, mostly - was written in scriptio continua. All sorts of ambiguity and hilarity would ensue; to be a good writer, you needed to ensure that words didn't bleed together and form incorrect meanings in unintended combinations. If you lost your place when reading, you'd have to know generally where you were in a scroll, and resta…

i've had lots of Latin, know what you mean, but then thought of the Pantheon, where the word breaks (acronyms included) are indicated (with interstitial dots).

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pantheon_Rom_1_cropp...

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