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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by Diti »

testfrequency wrote: post #59
doctoboggan wrote: post #5

Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

If you’re not awake already, you support what’s happening. Blind, which I realize is a bit of the wild west, is full of racist anti-immigration/pro ICE hatred. Obviously, you can see where users work/worked, and it’s every company you could imagine. The sad reality is that a lot of people will do what they can to support racist agendas, possibly even motivate them to work at certain companies as it feels moralizing t…

With the sorry state the software industry is currently in, I’m not surprised that developers would sell their soul in exchange for the peace of mind of being able to pay rent and food. Working for those companies does not make people “do what they can to support racist agendas”.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by j-pb »

learingsci wrote: post #62
int0x29 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a warrant. The federal government should not be "soliciting vendors" for my location. I love how the accounts defending ICE are always brand new.

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German here, with little stakes in your shitshow. At no point during the obama years did I think:

"Wow this looks just like the rise of the nazis!"

Which was covered extensively during my history classes.

Why did you even have all the school schootings if you don't use that stupid second ammendmend thing you have? This is the tyranical government you've all been waiting for.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by andsoitis »

anonym29 wrote: post #38

Don't forget - Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon, Oracle, etc are all proud partners of the US intelligence community, which includes DHS and ICE. When the NSA asked these companies to participate in an unconstitutional and unlawful program (as ruled by a federal judge) called PRISM, they didn't fight, they eagerly complied. They kept their compliance secret. They lied about it to citizens, to their users, to their cu…

What phone do you use?

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by testfrequency »

Diti wrote: post #71
testfrequency wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re not awake already, you support what’s happening. Blind, which I realize is a bit of the wild west, is full of racist anti-immigration/pro ICE hatred. Obviously, you can see where users work/worked, and it’s every company you could imagine. The sad reality is that a lot of people will do what they can to support racist agendas, possibly even motivate them to work at certain companies as it feels moralizing t…

With the sorry state the software industry is currently in, I’m not surprised that developers would sell their soul in exchange for the peace of mind of being able to pay rent and food. Working for those companies does not make people “do what they can to support racist agendas”.

Is this your way of sharing that you work at X or are open to hurting people in exchange for cash?

Also, you can retain your morals and choose a career, it is optional to select where you work as it’s hopefully voluntary.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by testfrequency »

andsoitis wrote: post #70
testfrequency wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re not awake already, you support what’s happening. Blind, which I realize is a bit of the wild west, is full of racist anti-immigration/pro ICE hatred. Obviously, you can see where users work/worked, and it’s every company you could imagine. The sad reality is that a lot of people will do what they can to support racist agendas, possibly even motivate them to work at certain companies as it feels moralizing t…

> you support what’s happening. I don’t know that things are that black and white. Do you feel the same about the billions of consumers who buy and use the products these companies make?

Consumers less so.

They are the victims, not the source.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by rl3 »

deaux wrote: post #46
badbird3 wrote: post #14

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Quite the high horse you got there

Hey there, I quit a job over similar concerns, knowing it would lead to a >70% decrease in comp. Without a significant nest egg or wealth, whether personal or through family. Now let me say the same: But those tools buy Teslas and $8 donuts and cardboard apartments in trendy neighborhoods for people too young to understand how money works. There, now there's no longer a high horse concern.

>...I quit a job over similar concerns, knowing it would lead to a >70% decrease in comp. Without a significant nest egg or wealth, whether personal or through family.

Hey, thanks for doing the right thing.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by mmoustafa »

Why do all the discussion posts about ICE’s biometric app get taken down? Although they may invite politicing, they are very relevant to HN.

e.g [flagged] Target director's Global Entry was revoked after ICE used app to scan her face [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46833871]

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

danaris wrote: post #61
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #54

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As effective calls to action often do! It's almost tautological when I say it this way, but if you want people working in ad tech to oppose ICE you have to convince them it's good for people working in ad tech to oppose ICE. Perhaps the conflict is that you just want to make people who work in ad tech feel bad, and don't care whether or not they enable ICE? That's fine, I suppose, there's industries I feel the same w…

> you have to convince them it's good for people working in ad tech to oppose ICE. Yes—and one of the tools we have for that is shunning . If enough of us who are appalled and disgusted by the state of things, and the people who willingly lend themselves to creating said state, make our disgust with those people known, it can lead to some of them choosing to act differently, because they care about being thought well…

I agree with what you're saying, but shunning has to be selective to be effective. People have to believe that you won't shun them if they avoid the terrible things you're trying to stop. It's too much to simultaneously beef with ICE, adtech in general, Tesla, $8 donuts, and anyone who lives in a trendy neighborhood.
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