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Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by jcstk »

laristine wrote: post #60
avaer wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish more people were as astute. The front matter of big politics and big tech is not too different from professional wrestling.

I think OP could be just as astute as you meant. They probably know that Altman is engaging in marketing, but still tried to make a case that it shouldn't be a good strategy and instead illustrates his character. Not that I disagree, as people could see the unnecessary drama as a sign of immature behavior and a negative net result in the long term, regardless if it generates press today. As many other commenters rema…

It's not that deep, he's not even writing it

Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by [deleted] »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #70
Kiboneu wrote: post #10

“ we believe access creates agency” Whose agency? Ads are designed to reduce agency. It’s a red queen’s race from there. It leads to a high level of optimized manipulation and intrusiveness. That was one of the core points of anthropic’s article. sama is right that anthropic’s and openai’s businesses are differently shaped. Thank goodness for that.

Ads can either reduce agency or increase it. You can get useful information from ads. It's just got a low payoff, in many cases.

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Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by 4d4m »

jcstk wrote: post #67
willis936 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This smells a lot of "any publicity is good publicity", which has been false for more than a decade. You know what makes line go up? Results.

OK. Tesla Trailing P/E: 390.70 Apple Trailing P/E: 34.11 Ford Trailing P/E : 11.74

Perception and execution that is what i call P/E

Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by Kiboneu »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #70
Kiboneu wrote: post #10

“ we believe access creates agency” Whose agency? Ads are designed to reduce agency. It’s a red queen’s race from there. It leads to a high level of optimized manipulation and intrusiveness. That was one of the core points of anthropic’s article. sama is right that anthropic’s and openai’s businesses are differently shaped. Thank goodness for that.

Ads can either reduce agency or increase it. You can get useful information from ads. It's just got a low payoff, in many cases.

Good distinction, I agree. The core issue is the information asymmetry and its profitability.

Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by willis936 »

jcstk wrote: post #67
willis936 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This smells a lot of "any publicity is good publicity", which has been false for more than a decade. You know what makes line go up? Results.

OK. Tesla Trailing P/E: 390.70 Apple Trailing P/E: 34.11 Ford Trailing P/E : 11.74

I'm not sure what your point is. High P/E is a sign of overvaluation and a bad investment. Just because the market is irrational doesn't mean you should sign up for to be a bag holder.

Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by daleswanson »

pcurve wrote: post #39
Insanity wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t matter. Companies are hypocritical all the time, a few people make noise at the time, then it’s forgotten.

You're right. As long as they don't make a long series of these ads and espouse it as a virtue like Google did with their 'don't be evil', no one will care.

Do you think Google suffered any consequences for ignoring their "Don't be evil" motto?

Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by nrb »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #47

> Anthropic serves an expensive product to rich people. We are glad they do that and we are doing that too, but we also feel strongly that we need to bring AI to billions of people who can’t pay for subscriptions. But they are paying, aren't they? Advertisements don't generate money from thin air. Advertisements cause people to spend money they otherwise would not have spent. That's why companies buy ads in the first…

Yeah the whole cognitive disconnect that advertising is anything other than serving an expensive product to rich people deserves a smirk at minimum.

Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by Sammi »

starkeeper wrote: post #41

So Spam Altham admits in the first paragraph they are bringing ADS to ChatGPT and then whines about his competition the rest of the article.

I can't shake the feeling of being spoken to by Gríma Wormtongue. It's just the way Sam talks. The words and phrases he chooses. So much tortured persuasion in all he says.

Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by midoBB »

yalogin wrote: post #20

Anthropic’s strategy is weird, they may not be inserting ads today but I am sure this is where they will end up if they get enough volume of users. So saying “not to Claude” is putting them in the same plane as google’s “do no evil”. They will walk it back sooner or later.

It's the same ad campaign Samsung did with the charger and headphone jack after Apple ditched them. Let's see if they hold out longer than what Samsung did back then.

Re: Sam Altman responds to Anthropic's "Ads are coming to AI. But not to Claude" ads

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Post by jimmydoe »

> We are committed to broad, democratic decision making in addition to access. We are also committed to building the most resilient ecosystem for advanced AI. We care a great deal about safe, broadly beneficial AGI, and we know the only way to get there is to work with the world to prepare.

> One authoritarian company won't get us there on their own, to say nothing of the other obvious risks. It is a dark path.

It’s one thing to say your competitors are hypocrites they will have ads one day, just watch. But democratic vs authoritarian? Come on. What is next? They are Chinese spies and Russian agents? Smh

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