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Steve Bannon Proposes Using ICE in Elections

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Re: Steve Bannon Proposes Using ICE in Elections

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The Project 2025 crew is so obvious about what they are doing, and the counter-measures seem to be along the lines of, "well, let's see how it goes."

How it's going: https://www.project2025.observer/en

Spoiler: ~50% of goals met in Trump's first year.

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Voter intimidation is against the law.

The President is absolutely immune to the law for any "official actions", and the Supreme Court case which established this was specifically about whether ensuring voting integrity, no matter how farcically pre-textual, is an "official action": they determined it is. The law won't help us here.

Immunity doesn't make his actions legal. If ICE is interfering with voting, the states can have them removed and prosecuted.

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What’s a better forum? Tired of “crushing democracy isn’t directly related to tech” flagging

It'd be cool to fork HN and show only the flagged posts

/active is close enough.

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Bannon is being funded by a foreign agent. His job is to create controversy.

One thing that surprised me in the Epstein files is just how much Epstein was intertwined in various foreign relations. Like Peter Thiel repeatedly meeting Russian officials and his Kremlin handler (literally) at Epstein’s properties. And various Israeli people conducting business there. Isn’t Thiel collaborating with Russians treasonous? What does it mean when you have this set of people who are all working together…

I'm convinced all of these ghouls will do whatever they can to buy/cheat/steal these elections. Because if they don't, they all face potential prison time. And Bannon's not looking forward to going back.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The President is absolutely immune to the law for any "official actions", and the Supreme Court case which established this was specifically about whether ensuring voting integrity, no matter how farcically pre-textual, is an "official action": they determined it is. The law won't help us here.

Immunity doesn't make his actions legal. If ICE is interfering with voting, the states can have them removed and prosecuted.

No they can’t, states cannot interfere with federal law enforcement in any way. They can refuse to help (and even that is controversial), but they cannot impede. Remember, it’s not like Trump and ICE are going to be announcing that they intend to interfere with elections, they’ll say it’s legitimate law enforcement against a credible threat, and state interference with Federal law enforcement against “credible threats” is completely illegal.

Years down the road, maybe some judge will rule ICE’s actions violated voters’ Constitutional rights, but who cares? The standard punishment for that is a stern “don’t do it again”. If someone is convicted because of a rights violation, their conviction might be overturned, but that’s not what would happen here: it would just be intimidation and harassment to move vote totals and no conviction to be reversed.

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Immunity doesn't make his actions legal. If ICE is interfering with voting, the states can have them removed and prosecuted.

No they can’t, states cannot interfere with federal law enforcement in any way. They can refuse to help (and even that is controversial), but they cannot impede. Remember, it’s not like Trump and ICE are going to be announcing that they intend to interfere with elections, they’ll say it’s legitimate law enforcement against a credible threat, and state interference with Federal law enforcement against “credible threat…

The "act now, justify later" blade cuts both ways.

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post #51

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> The ICE guys will be hanging around in urban neighborhoods with lots of minorities. Such as parts of Milwaukee and Detroit. Which they have been. How did that go in the special election a few days ago?

There was a recent first-past-the-post statewide special election somewhere?

Taylor Rehmet just won a Texas senate seat by 14%. It was a 31% swing from the results in that district in the 2024 elections.

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One thing that surprised me in the Epstein files is just how much Epstein was intertwined in various foreign relations. Like Peter Thiel repeatedly meeting Russian officials and his Kremlin handler (literally) at Epstein’s properties. And various Israeli people conducting business there. Isn’t Thiel collaborating with Russians treasonous? What does it mean when you have this set of people who are all working together…

It all certainly looks iffy. Donald Tusk the Polish prime minister was saying Epstein was probably working for the Russians and getting kompromat for them. There seems to have been a deliberate effort to rope in as many people as possible. It's probably not legally treason but not good.

It's very convenient to be able to operate at a level that regular moral humans can't conceive as probable enough to warrant writing laws around.

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post #68

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It all certainly looks iffy. Donald Tusk the Polish prime minister was saying Epstein was probably working for the Russians and getting kompromat for them. There seems to have been a deliberate effort to rope in as many people as possible. It's probably not legally treason but not good.

It's very convenient to be able to operate at a level that regular moral humans can't conceive as probable enough to warrant writing laws around.

There's a lot of stuff that I'd think unlikely but it turns out the Russians have office buildings full of salaried employees organising it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

I'm not quite sure the answer. Maybe the west needs to get more serious about opposing that stuff?

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post #51

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> The ICE guys will be hanging around in urban neighborhoods with lots of minorities. Such as parts of Milwaukee and Detroit. Which they have been. How did that go in the special election a few days ago?

There was a recent first-past-the-post statewide special election somewhere?

State house elections, 2 of them in Minnesota: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/27/specials-elections-...
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