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Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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> incompetency "corruption"

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I think parsing out what kind of freedom would help here. The US has a lot of “freedom of” but not a lot of “freedom from.”

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> incompetency "corruption"

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It's not a linear relationship where you trade one for the other. You don't just get a more competent government by giving up freedoms.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Yes far worse, the superconducting supercollider produced science which has debatable value. There’s an argument we lost nothing by canceling the project. Wind farms produce electricity which pays for the investment when you finish but pays nothing when a stop early. This makes stopping early extremely economically harmful.

The effective electricity rate in MA is already $0.37/kWh. How much further could it go?

That’s a joke right?

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Wait until you live through what Argentina or Brasil have then see how you feel about redress, petition and speech.

I'm specifically talking about Chinas' lack of freedoms... which is entirely different then Brasil or Argentina.

I don't have the freedom to own a gun in China, but it's safer in China to the point where you don't need a gun. Practically speaking I prefer to have less freedoms simply because you need less freedoms for society to function better AND most of these freedoms that are taken away by China are freedoms most people never exercise.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Trump banning offshore wind projects is why oil and gas workers vote for him. The only way they can keep their jobs working on vastly inferior, dangerous technology is to ban new, safer, better technology.

The reality, of course, being that wind farm construction is big on labour, specialist transport machinery, crane operating, jacking, bolts, working to weather extreme thresholds, etc.

Different as from a distance but still a lot of applicable skill and team work experience transfer for many workers.

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Well, judicial checks and balances should protect them until regime change, which is coming.

There's no regime change coming when those in power run the elections, have already cheated in the past, and know that they are now untouchable.

States run the elections.

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This is one of the most insane things I’ve ever read on this forum.

The assertion that being able to summarily execute people you accuse of corruption somehow reduces corruption is absurd. If that were true, places like Russia would have no corruption. Being a dictator just ensures that corruption flows your way as the leader.

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Wait until you live through what Argentina or Brasil have then see how you feel about redress, petition and speech.

I'm specifically talking about Chinas' lack of freedoms... which is entirely different then Brasil or Argentina. I don't have the freedom to own a gun in China, but it's safer in China to the point where you don't need a gun. Practically speaking I prefer to have less freedoms simply because you need less freedoms for society to function better AND most of these freedoms that are taken away by China are freedoms most…

Exercise like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

Right?

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It's not a linear relationship where you trade one for the other. You don't just get a more competent government by giving up freedoms.

There is a relationship here. It is not a perfect one, but it is real, and pretending otherwise just avoids the tradeoff.

Take California’s high speed rail. Every individual has the right to object. No one wants an eyesore in their backyard. Everyone gets a hearing. Everyone gets a lawsuit. Everyone gets a veto in practice, if not in theory.

The result is predictable. I will never see a functioning high speed rail system in California in my lifetime. Neither will anyone alive today. Not because we lack money or engineering talent, but because the accumulation of individual rights makes collective action nearly impossible.

Now look at China. They decide to build it, and it gets built. If you are in the way, you move. If persuasion fails, coercion follows. Freedoms are not part of the equation.

That contrast is uncomfortable, but it is real. Freedom buys dignity and protection from abuse. It also buys paralysis. China sacrifices individual rights and gets infrastructure. California preserves individual rights and gets endless meetings, delays, and nothing on the ground.

You can argue which system is morally superior. You cannot argue that they produce the same outcomes.

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