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Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by dang »

saberience wrote: post #54
dang wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative. " " Please don't fulminate. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Thanks for the reminder dang. I just find it so incredibly aggravating to see crypto-scammers and other grifters ripping people off online and using other people's ignorance to do so. And it's genuinely sad to see thought leaders in the community hyping up projects which are 90% lie combined with scam combined with misreprentation. Not to mention riddled with obvious security and engineering defects.

I agree that such things can be frustrating and even infuriating, but since those emotions are so much larger, intense, and more common than the ones that serve the purpose of this site (curiosity, playfulness, whimsy), we need rules to try to prevent them from taking over. And even with the rules, it takes a lot of work! That's basically the social contract of HN - we all try to do this work in order to preserve the commons for the intended spirit.

(I assume you know this since you said 'reminder' but am spelling it out for others :))

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by SimianSci »

I was quite stunned at the success of Moltbot/moltbook, but I think im starting to understand it better these days. Most of Moltbook's success rides on the "prepackaged" aspect of its agent. Its a jump in accessibility to general audiences which are paying alot more attention to the tech sector than in previous decades. Most of the people paying attention to this space dont have the technical capabilities that many engineers do, so a highly perscriptive "buy mac mini, copy a couple of lines to install" appeals greatly, especially as this will be the first "agent" many of them will have interacted with.

The landscape of security was bad long before the metaphorical "unwashed masses" got hold of it. Now its quite alarming as there are waves of non-technical users doing the bare minimum to try and keep up to date with the growing hype.

The security nightmare happening here might end up being more persistant then we realize.

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by heliumtera »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #33

I don't understand how anyone seriously hyping this up honestly thought it was restricted to JUST AI agents? It's literally a web service. Are people really that AI brained that they will scream and shout about how revolutionary something is just because it's related to AI? How can some of the biggest names in AI fall for this? When it was obvious to anyone outside of their inner sphere? The amount of money in the ga…

>How can some of the biggest names in AI fall for this?

Because we live in on clown world and big AI names are talking parrots for the big vibes movement

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by habinero »

heliumtera wrote: post #70
basch wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasnt that sort of the in joke? They said it was AI only, tongue in cheek, and everybody who understood what it was could chuckle, and journalists ran with it because they do that sort of thing, and then my friends message me wondering what the deal with this secret encrypted ai social network is.

Err...karpathy praising this stunt as the most revolutionary event he witness was a joke?

There's a lot of "haha it was always a joke" from people who definitely did not think it was a joke lol.

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by charcircuit »

nkrisc wrote: post #39

The thing I don’t get is even if we imagine that somehow they can truly restrict it such that only LLMs can actually post on there, what’s stopping a person from simply instructing an LLM to post some arbitrary text they provide to it?

What's stopping bots from posting to regular social media? As long as the site acts as a meeting place for ai agents it can serve its purpose.

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by [deleted] »

SimianSci wrote: post #72

I was quite stunned at the success of Moltbot/moltbook, but I think im starting to understand it better these days. Most of Moltbook's success rides on the "prepackaged" aspect of its agent. Its a jump in accessibility to general audiences which are paying alot more attention to the tech sector than in previous decades. Most of the people paying attention to this space dont have the technical capabilities that many e…

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Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by [deleted] »

simonw wrote: post #66
easymuffin wrote: post #56

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Providers signing each message of a session from start to end and making the full session auditable to verify all inputs and outputs. Any prompts injected by humans would be visible. I’m not even sure why this isn’t a thing yet (maybe it is I never looked it up). Especially when LLMs are used for scientific work I’d expect this to be used to make at least LLM chats replicable.

Which providers do you mean, OpenAI and Anthropic? There's a little hint of this right now in that the "reasoning" traces that come back from the JSON are signed and sometimes obfuscated with only the encrypted chunk visible to the end user. It would actually be pretty neat if you could request signed LLM outputs and they had a tool for confirming those signatures against the original prompts. I don't know that there…

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Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by gravel7623 »

> We immediately disclosed the issue to the Moltbook team, who secured it within hours with our assistance

How do you go about telling a person who vibe-coded a project into existence how to fix their security flaws?

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by mutagen »

moktonar wrote: post #65

I can already envision a “I’m not human” captcha, for sites like this. Who will be the first to implement it? (Looks at Cloudflare)

"Tell me about the seahorse emoji"

ChatGPT v5.0 spiraling on the existence of the seahorse emoji was glorious to behold. Other LLMs were a little better at sorting things out but often expressed a little bit of confusion.

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by basch »

habinero wrote: post #74
heliumtera wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err...karpathy praising this stunt as the most revolutionary event he witness was a joke?

There's a lot of "haha it was always a joke" from people who definitely did not think it was a joke lol.

The “only ai can post to it” part?

How did anyone think humans would be blocked from doing something their agent can do?

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