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Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
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We're paying ~$50K for every person that's incarcerated, BUT nobody takes into account the income we're losing from their taxes and spending if they were living a sane life in the free world. It is exceptionally difficult to move people from a life of crime and addiction back into society, though. And I have insane respect for the people that do it full time. I've worked in that space and it's a world of absolute une…
It’s exceptionally difficult because we largely do not try; recidivism rates in the US are multiples of other countries.
IIRC this is at least partly because we measure that differently (re-arrest in X years vs re-conviction in Y years I think it was?).
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
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>The program prioritized underrepresented populations. Do you know why they did this? Transgenderism or being a woman is an orthogonal concept to homelessness. Whatever demographic you're in, if you are homeless, you are suffering and I assume are exposed to the same gender neutral dangers that arise from being homeless. What exactly is the greater danger that would need such prioritization?
They said parents received priority. Homeless people whose children live with them are women mostly. Giving parents priority aided their children. The report said the programs prioritized groups that are overrepresented in national youth homelessness counts, including LGBTQ+ and BIPOC youth, as well as those who were pregnant or parenting status, formerly incarcerated, undocumented, or had a history of domestic viole…
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Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also wild just how cost-effective interventions like this can be. You can pay a thousand here and there, or a few hundred thousand incarcerating these people when they turn to crime out of desperation.
We're paying ~$50K for every person that's incarcerated, BUT nobody takes into account the income we're losing from their taxes and spending if they were living a sane life in the free world. It is exceptionally difficult to move people from a life of crime and addiction back into society, though. And I have insane respect for the people that do it full time. I've worked in that space and it's a world of absolute une…
50k is a pittance compared to the amount of suffering the average criminal causes. I'd pay $1 million /year to incarcerate more people so long as we got the right people. I'd pay any amount. The cost of being a victim is monstrously high it doesn't matter
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Queer people are at a greater risk of being estranged from their families, if nothing else.
Aren't all homeless people estranged from families? I assume family would help if it was a possibility.
Someone unable or unwilling to house a family member could be able and willing to pay their phone service. Someone unable to pay their phone service could be willing to talk to them.
Homeless young people are disproportionately LGBT because of family rejection.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#76> More than half of participants were women, while 30% were male and 18% identified as transgender or gender inclusive. Why were the ratios not representative of actual homeless demographics? Most homeless people are biological men by an overwhelming majority. Maybe transgendered people and women seek more help? Or the people conducting this study were biased themselves? As a result, I don’t think the results univers…
Your comparing statistics for homeless adults to homeless youth.
From my experience being a homeless youth 20 years ago, LGBTQ individuals make up a large share of homeless youth, I would guess more than 50% at the time.
There may be less gay or lesbian homeless youth these days, but transgender youth may have grown.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#77> More than half of participants were women, while 30% were male and 18% identified as transgender or gender inclusive. Why were the ratios not representative of actual homeless demographics? Most homeless people are biological men by an overwhelming majority. Maybe transgendered people and women seek more help? Or the people conducting this study were biased themselves? As a result, I don’t think the results univers…
Something noone else has said here, and I don't know the degree to which it is true for this study, but good study design generally includes stratified sampling.
e.g. if there are subpopulations whose experience differs a lot, you want to have those populations overrepresented in your study to reduce variance of study.
This is basic statistics.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
This program specifically targeted homeless youth; it seems plausible that the demographics of that segment might differ from the larger community.
This makes sense, targeting youth likely has a higher chance of a better outcome?
From my experiences, it does have a higher chance of better outcome, as homeless youth are usually homeless because of some family issue and not because they are unable to hold down a job as a result of drug abuse or being homeless.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
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Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
This program specifically targeted homeless youth; it seems plausible that the demographics of that segment might differ from the larger community.
This makes sense, targeting youth likely has a higher chance of a better outcome?
There are reasons targeting youth could be more effective. But a more direct reason this project targeted youth was Oregon's homeless youth program designed it.