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Re: Peerweb: Decentralized website hosting via WebTorrent

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I wonder if these colors are a kind of a watermark that are hardcoded as system instructions. Almost all slopware made using claude have the same color palette. So much for a random token generator to be this consistent

Emojis on every line are an AI tell. The times I do use AI (shhhh...) I always remove them and tweak the language a bit.

Before LLMs became big, I used emojis in my PRs and merge requests for fun and to break up the monotony a bit. Now I avoid them, lest I be accused of being a bot.

Re: Peerweb: Decentralized website hosting via WebTorrent

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I wonder if these colors are a kind of a watermark that are hardcoded as system instructions. Almost all slopware made using claude have the same color palette. So much for a random token generator to be this consistent

Yep, and I refuse to use sites that look like this. Lovable built frontend/landing pages have a similar feel. Instant lost of trust and desire to try it out.

That's interesting - do you think because it's familiar to you?

Would it be the case for folks who don't have any idea what Lovable is.

Familiar UI is similar to what Tailwind or Bootstrap offers, do they do something different to keep it fresh?

Average internet users/consumers are likely used to the default Shopify checkout.

Re: Peerweb: Decentralized website hosting via WebTorrent

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I wonder if these colors are a kind of a watermark that are hardcoded as system instructions. Almost all slopware made using claude have the same color palette. So much for a random token generator to be this consistent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_collapse

Ask any modern (post-GPT-2) LLM about a random color/name/city repeatedly a few dozen times, and you'll see it's not that random. You can influence this with a prompt, obviously, but if the prompt stays the same each time, the output is always very similar despite the existence of thousands of valid alternatives. Which is the case for any vibecoded thing that doesn't specify the color palette, in particular.

This effect is largely responsible for slop (as in annoying stereotypes). It's fixable in principle, but there's pretty little research and I don't see big AI shops care enough.

Re: Peerweb: Decentralized website hosting via WebTorrent

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Every time I try these they never work, including this one. I’m not sure what the value prop is over just using a torrent client? Maybe when they’re less buggy they’ll become a thing.

I'm planning to eventually launch an open source platform with the same name (peerweb.com) that I hope will be vastly more usable, with a distributed anti-abuse protocol, automatic asset distribution prioritization for highly-requested files, streaming UGC APIs (e.g. start uploading a video and immediately get a working sharable link before upload completion), proper integration with site URLs (no ugly uuids etc. visible or required in your site URLs), and adjustable latency thresholds to failover to normal CDNs whenever peers take too long to respond.

I put the project on hiatus years ago but I'm starting it back up soon! My project is not vibe coded and has thus far been manually architected with a deep consideration for both user and site owner expectations in the web ecosystem.

Re: Peerweb: Decentralized website hosting via WebTorrent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, and I refuse to use sites that look like this. Lovable built frontend/landing pages have a similar feel. Instant lost of trust and desire to try it out.

That's interesting - do you think because it's familiar to you? Would it be the case for folks who don't have any idea what Lovable is. Familiar UI is similar to what Tailwind or Bootstrap offers, do they do something different to keep it fresh? Average internet users/consumers are likely used to the default Shopify checkout.

Its probably more of a me "problem". But I'm sure there are plenty of others that share my sentiment. It doesn't really have anything to do with it being familiar, familiar can be good, but what I'm talking about is a familiar ugliness and lack of intention.

The Stripe or Shopify checkout is familiar, but it only became familiar because it was well designed and people wanted to keep using it.

Also when its obvious someone used an LLM, it bleeds into my overall opinion of the product whether the product is good or not. I assume less effort was put into the project, which is probably a fair assumption.

Re: Peerweb: Decentralized website hosting via WebTorrent

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Fun! I wish WebTorrent had caught on more. I've always thought it had a worthy place in the modern P2P conversation. In 2020, I messed around with a PoC for what hosting and distributing Linux distros could look like using WebTorrent[1]. The protocol project as a whole has a lovely and brilliant design but has stayed mostly stagnant in recent years. There are only a couple of WebRTC-enabled torrent trackers that have…

I think the issue has generally been that web torrent doesn't work enough like the real thing to do its job properly. There are huge bit torrent based streaming media networks out there, illicit, sure, but its a proven technology. If browsers had real torrent clients we would be having a very different conversation imo I don't remember the web torrent issue numbers off the top of my head, but there are a number of lo…

"If browsers had real torrent clients we would be having a very different conversation imo"

The elinks text-only browser has a "real" torrent client

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