> she said she was aware that DeepSeek had given her contradictory advice. She understood that chatbots were trained on data from across the internet, she told me, and did not represent an absolute truth or superhuman authority With highly lucid people like the author's mom I'm not too worried about Dr. Deepseek. I'm actually incredibly bullish on the fact that AI models are, as the article describes, superhumanly em…
> They are infinitely patient, infinitely available, and unbelievably knowledgeable, it really is miraculous. This is a strange way to talk about a computer program following its programming. I see no miracle here.
My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
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Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
#72I and many of my friends have used ChatGPT extremely effectively to diagnose medical issues. In fact, I would say that ChatGPT is better than most doctors because most doctors don't actually listen to you. ChatGPT took the time to ask me questions and based on my answers, narrowed down a particularly scary diagnosis and gave excellent instructions on how to get to a local hospital in a foreign country, what to ask fo…
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HN is just a big internet watercooler type place where people exchange experiences, views, and whatnot. Such a context can't really work unless people assume good faith with each other.
Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
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Side effects do not exist in isolation. High blood sugar is not a problem if it is solving a much bigger health issue, or is a lesser side effect than something more serious. If medication A causes high blood sugar but medication B has a chance of causing blood clots, medication A is an obvious choice. If a patient gets it in their head that their high blood sugar is a problem to solve, ChatGPT is going to reinforce…
Look, anyone can argue hypotheticals. But if one reads the comment being discussed, it can be deduced that your proposed hypotheses are not applicable, and that the doctor actually acknowledged the side effect and changed medications leading to relief. Now, if the new medication has a more serious side effect, the doctor (or ChatGPT) should mention and/or monitor for it, but the parent has not stated that is the case…
They can be used for isolated, treatment of high blood pressure, but they are also used for dual treatment of blood pressure and various heart issues (heart failure, stable angina, arrhythmias). If you have heart failure, beta blockers can reduce your relative annual mortality risk by about 25%.
I would not trust an LLM to weigh the pros and cons appropriately knowing their syncophantic tendencies. I suspect they are going to be biased toward agreeing with whatever concerns the user initially expresses to them.
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Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
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No, no, no. You can change your doctor, and get one that listens to you - you can't change the fact that ChatGPT has no skin in the game - no reputation, no hippocratic oath, no fiscal/legal responsibility. Some people have had miracles with Facebook groups, or WebMD, but that doesn't change where the role of a doctor is or mean that you should be using those things for medical advice as opposed to something that all…
In countries with public healthcare + doctor shortages (e.g. Canada), good luck even getting a family doctor, let alone having a request to switch you family doctor "when you already have one!" get taken seriously. Everyone I know just goes to walk-in clinics / urgent-care centres. And neither of those options give doctors any "skin in the game." Or any opportunities for follow-up. Or any ongoing context for evaluati…
Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
#75The dangers are obvious (and also there are some fascinating insights into how healthcare works practically in China). I wonder if some kind of "second opinion" antagonistic approach might reduce the risks.
Can you expand on the insights into the chinese medical system ?
Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
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> They are infinitely patient, infinitely available, and unbelievably knowledgeable, it really is miraculous. This is a strange way to talk about a computer program following its programming. I see no miracle here.
I feel like I’ve seen more and more people recently fall for this trick. No, LLMs are not “empathetic” or “patient”, and no, they do not have emotions. They’re incredibly huge piles of numbers following their incentives. Their behavior convincingly reproduces human behavior, and they express what looks like human emotions… because their training data is full of humans expressing emotions? Sure, sometimes it’s helpful…
Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
#77I and many of my friends have used ChatGPT extremely effectively to diagnose medical issues. In fact, I would say that ChatGPT is better than most doctors because most doctors don't actually listen to you. ChatGPT took the time to ask me questions and based on my answers, narrowed down a particularly scary diagnosis and gave excellent instructions on how to get to a local hospital in a foreign country, what to ask fo…
I’ve heard many people say the same (specifically about ppl being better than doctors because they listen) and I find it odd and wonder if this is a specific country thing? I’ve been lucky enough to not need much beyond relative minor medical help but in the places I’ve lived always found that when I do see a GP they’re generally helpful. There’s also something here about medical stuff making people feel vulnerable a…
Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
#78One of my kids recently had a no-contact knee injury while playing basketball. He immediately started limping and crying and I had to carry him from the court to the car. I did some searching with Grok and I found out: - no contact injuries are troubling b/c it generally means they pulled something - kids don't generally tear an ACL (or other ligament) - it's actually way more common for the ligament to pull the anch…
It is like getting phished and then pointing out that the scammer was basically right about being Coinbase support aside from the fact that they did not work there
Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
#79One of my kids recently had a no-contact knee injury while playing basketball. He immediately started limping and crying and I had to carry him from the court to the car. I did some searching with Grok and I found out: - no contact injuries are troubling b/c it generally means they pulled something - kids don't generally tear an ACL (or other ligament) - it's actually way more common for the ligament to pull the anch…
>I did some searching with Grok Grok is...not most people's first choice. At least both OpenAI and Deep Mind do medical fine tuning, and both are almost certainly paying doctors to do it.
Opus 4.5 seems good too, though getting dumber. OpenAIs fine tuning is clearly built to toe the professional medical advice line, which can be good and bad.
Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)
#80For major medical issues it may well be best practice to use the four eyes principle like we do for all safety related systems. Access is key and at this time getting a second pair of eyes in close timely proximity is a luxury few have and even fewer will have looking at the demographics in the developed world. Human doctors are failable as is AI. For the time being having a multitude of perspectives may well be the…