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Post by pjc50 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #49

"I had forgotten that there could ever be domestic conflicts where law enforcement were not themselves belligerents." ouch. Must be weird living where you live.

As the author says, most incidents of this kind, in most of the world, are protesters vs. police, and the police have .. a substantial amount of control over whether the situation escalates or not. Including just opening up with tear gas.

Conflicting football ultras is basically the only case where this doesn't happen.

(I've never been near a tear gas kind of event, but I did witness the Met Police deploy "kettling" for the first time in May 2001, close enough that if I'd not paid attention to the police lines forming up I would have been imprisoned uncomfortably for eight hours.)

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Post by [deleted] »

philwelch wrote: post #60

The reality is that tear gas is not an effective riot control tool. It works fine against spontaneous mobs of sports fans after their team loses, but it's not especially effective against prepared insurrectionists. The last time the US faced this level of organized political resistance against lawful federal authority, the Army and National Guard routinely used fixed bayonets to control segregationist protesters. The…

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Post by mindslight »

philwelch wrote: post #60

The reality is that tear gas is not an effective riot control tool. It works fine against spontaneous mobs of sports fans after their team loses, but it's not especially effective against prepared insurrectionists. The last time the US faced this level of organized political resistance against lawful federal authority, the Army and National Guard routinely used fixed bayonets to control segregationist protesters. The…

Maybe we should talk about the first time the US had this level of political resistance against "lawful authority". That seems like a better analogy for what's going on here.

Also I feel compelled to point out that "lawful authority" does not imply "authority acting lawfully". The difference is painfully demonstrated by the existence of a thread discussing the use of respirators in response to government jackboots suppressing lawful first amendment activity. The obvious alternative is to let the protests happen, per our Constitution.

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Post by diggyhole »

zetanor wrote: post #6
dmazin wrote: post #2

While NYT etc mostly stand back as the U.S. crosses the rubicon, what started as a freaking gadget review site seems to employ nearly all the journalists with actual gusto left in America.

The gusto to post an Amazon affiliate listicle?

VIVA LA REVOLUTION LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE!

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Post by bluGill »

rdl wrote: post #58
tsss wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying safety equipment on Amazon is extremely dumb. You won't know that you got a fake until it's too late.

Very recently Amazon announced they'd stop commingling inventory from 3P sellers and themselves, so it should be safer to buy from Amazon in the future (if you look at the specific seller), but still maybe worth avoiding for safety critical items which are difficult to inspect.

They still need to prove that isn't just a saying. A good reputation takes a long time to develop and very little time to lose. With safety gear I would not take a chance.

If I'm going to take a chance I'd prefer to support a small company. Amazon is big, but I find most things they sell I can find a small company that sells the same for a similar price and they know their product and so will direct me to what works well.

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Post by nerdsniper »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #67
philwelch wrote: post #60

The reality is that tear gas is not an effective riot control tool. It works fine against spontaneous mobs of sports fans after their team loses, but it's not especially effective against prepared insurrectionists. The last time the US faced this level of organized political resistance against lawful federal authority, the Army and National Guard routinely used fixed bayonets to control segregationist protesters. The…

Wasn't "the last time" in 2020?

I'd say Jan 6, 2021. But there are so many examples between "bayonets" and now. 2020 Seattle CHOP, 2014/2016 Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, 2011 Occupy Wall Street, 1999 Battle in Seattle, 1992 Ruby Ridge Standoff, 1969 People's Park, the entire civil rights movement era, 1946 Battle of Athens, 1921 Battle of Blair Mountain.

I intentionally alternated between left wing / right wing events. These things aren't limited to one side, and they're somewhat frequent, if a bit cyclical.

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Post by nerdsniper »

mindslight wrote: post #43
nerdsniper wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly the 3M 60923 cartridges don't restrict breathing at all. They have great airflow. I've used them all day long in chemical plants, no one complains about that.

Seconded. I've used those exact cartridges. Not for as long of shifts as you, but I'd say the face mask fit is much more important for that. My DIY-perspective tip is that when you're getting to know the respirator, you can take the filter cartridges off and put your hands over the input ports to feel what fully restricted breathing feels like, make it a known sensation in case it ends up happening. Likewise you can…

Fantastic fit-test tip.

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Post by darkwater »

miltonlost wrote: post #57
zetanor wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gusto to post an Amazon affiliate listicle?

They have many other articles directly addressing the rising fascism. That you also only see this as an "affiliate link" without grokking the larger theme of "Gas Masks for tear gas" and how that relates to what ICE is doing to the US is part of the larger problem with contemporary media illiteracy.

Are you sure it is just media illiteracy? Unfortunately, there are people out there that just don't care enough or actually think the US "president" is right and the protestors are dead wrong.
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