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Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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Am I misunderstanding the headline? Is the word "block" now meaning "enhance" instead of "stop"? I would think based on the text of the article that it enhances resistance. Or are tumors necessary to stop cancer growth (even though it is cancer growth?)

> Am I misunderstanding the headline?

Yes, what’s being blocked is “tumor resistance” to treatment.

“potentially overcoming treatment resistance in one of the deadliest cancers.”

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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IN MICE. (To be fair, also IN SOME OTHER BETTER MICE). https://jamesheathers.medium.com/in-mice-explained-77b61b598... (mostly a joke, but I'd be in favor of adding context to the HN headline if possible)

This isn't quite as bad as the garden variety "in mice" studies: > The combination therapy also led to significant regression in genetically engineered mouse tumours and in human cancer tissues grown in lab mice, known as patient-derived tumour xenografts (PDX).

PDX is a double edged sword. Human tumors are engrafted into mice with no immune system. Immune-cancer interface is incredibly important, yet completely lacking in these models. Consider that some of the greatest cancer drugs ever work specifically on the immune system (e.g. checkpoint inhibitors like Keytruda).

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

#73
post #44

I've been playing to much pokemon with my kids, read this as "Dugtrio"

there must be some sort of word for "games-bleeding-into-real-life" for stuff like this. I remember years ago playing some games, and hearing similar sounds in real life would startle (or amuse) me. And you can't really explain it to anyone around you, lol.

There's an elevator in a building where I attend meetups. A staffer has to authenticate with a card in order to let you use the elevator. Once it authenticates, a chime plays that goes sol-do-mi-sol. These four notes also begin the main bit of the Super Mario Bros. 2 overworld theme which I find myself humming.

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what the prisoner’s dilemma is.

Yeah this is more like a Pascalian Gamble [1]. If you try nothing, then you are assured to die as God wanted. If you try something , then you might live, but then God hates you. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager

It is like Pascal's Wager but has nothing to do with "what God wanted" or "God hating you"... It's more "if it doesn't work the outcome is the same anyway" (eternal oblivion in Pascal's case, certain death in this case), therefore why not give it a shot in case it does work.

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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> Clinical implications: While more research will be needed before trials in humans can begin Why? Seriously, think about it. Most people with pancreatic cancer have nothing to lose and many of them have just weeks or months to live. Daraxonrasib, Afatinib, and SD36 are molecules that can already be purchased in bulk, and what's the worst that can happen? Our society's morbid, irrational fear of quack medicine causes…

> what's the worst that can happen?

The patient dies from complications of the drug's use before the cancer.

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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> Clinical implications: While more research will be needed before trials in humans can begin Why? Seriously, think about it. Most people with pancreatic cancer have nothing to lose and many of them have just weeks or months to live. Daraxonrasib, Afatinib, and SD36 are molecules that can already be purchased in bulk, and what's the worst that can happen? Our society's morbid, irrational fear of quack medicine causes…

We might take it too far, but the fear of quack medicine is extremely rational.

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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> Clinical implications: While more research will be needed before trials in humans can begin Why? Seriously, think about it. Most people with pancreatic cancer have nothing to lose and many of them have just weeks or months to live. Daraxonrasib, Afatinib, and SD36 are molecules that can already be purchased in bulk, and what's the worst that can happen? Our society's morbid, irrational fear of quack medicine causes…

IMO, if you view your question from the ethical framework of "do no harm" i.e. the hippocratic oath instead of "move fast and break things", I can clearly see reason for the apprehension. The standards aren't positioned to catch "quack medicine" but to require full understanding before asking someone else to put something in their bodies. It's somewhat of an entitled stance that youd be okay with other people possibly needlessly dying in any circumstance for something experimental, and not one I'd ever want taken as an official stance by a regulated medical body.

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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post #34

For all the folks complaining about "it's only in mice! things never work in humans!" -- I work at MSK and we definitely have seen success treating PDAC in humans: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06063-y "Why don't I see these treatments hitting the general public?" Because trials like these are phase I/II. Then you need a phase III that takes a long time to recruit a large cohort and has overall survival…

What's MSK?

right-click, search Google: "MSK most commonly refers to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, a world-renowned institution for cancer treatment and research"

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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It's funny how many years of "X found to be effective in fighting cancer" stories have filtered through HN and then you never hear about it again. The research at treating mouse cancer has been making great strides--people cancer still has a long way to go though.

People cancer outcomes have improved a lot in recent decades. Many forms of cancer are essentially cured if you detect them early enough.

What's the best protocol for detecting them early enough, as an annual set of tests that a non-crazy / non-rich person would go do?

Re: Drug trio found to block tumour resistance in pancreatic cancer in mouse models

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> Clinical implications: While more research will be needed before trials in humans can begin Why? Seriously, think about it. Most people with pancreatic cancer have nothing to lose and many of them have just weeks or months to live. Daraxonrasib, Afatinib, and SD36 are molecules that can already be purchased in bulk, and what's the worst that can happen? Our society's morbid, irrational fear of quack medicine causes…

> what's the worst that can happen? The patient dies from complications of the drug's use before the cancer.

If I had 6 months to live, and had no other options, I wouldn't care if a drug killed me in 10 days. Give me the option.
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