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Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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> For complex tasks, Kimi K2.5 can self-direct an agent swarm with up to 100 sub-agents, executing parallel workflows across up to 1,500 tool calls. > K2.5 Agent Swarm improves performance on complex tasks through parallel, specialized execution [..] leads to an 80% reduction in end-to-end runtime Not just RL on tool calling, but RL on agent orchestration, neat!

Parallel agents are such a simple, yet powerful hack. Using it in Claude Code with TeammateTool and getting lots of good results!

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

#72
Can we please stop calling those models "open source"? Yes the weights are open. So, "open weight" maybe. But the source isn't open, the thing that allows to re-create it. That's what "open source" used to mean. (Together with a license that allows you to use that source for various things.)

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The label 'open source' has become a reputation reaping and marketing vehicle rather than an informative term since the Hugging Face benchmark race started. With the weights only, we cannot actually audit that if a model is a) contaminated by benchmarks, b) built with deliberate biases, or c) trained on copyrighted/privacy data, let alone allowing other vendors to replicate the results. Anyways, people still love fre…

Just accept that IP laws don't matter and the old "free software" paradigm is dead. Aaron Swartz died so that GenAI may live. RMS and his model of "copyleft" are so Web 1.0 (not even 2.0). No one in GenAI cares AT ALL about the true definition of open source. Good.

Good?

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or more than 20 million US dollars (or equivalent in other currencies) in monthly revenue, you shall prominently display "Kimi K2.5" on the user interface of such product or service. Why not just say "you shall pay us 1 million dollars"?

Companies with $20M revenue will not normally have spare $1M available. They'd get more money by charging reasonable subscriptions than by using lawyers to chase sudden company-ending fees.

it's monthly :) $240M revenue companies will absolutely find a way to fork $1M if they need to. Kimi most likely sees the eyeballs of free advertising as more profitable in the grander scheme of things

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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post #8

Huggingface Link: https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2.5 1T parameters, 32b active parameters. License: MIT with the following modification: Our only modification part is that, if the Software (or any derivative works thereof) is used for any of your commercial products or services that have more than 100 million monthly active users, or more than 20 million US dollars (or equivalent in other currencies) in mont…

One. Trillion. Even on native int4 that’s… half a terabyte of vram?! Technical awe at this marvel aside that cracks the 50th percentile of HLE, the snarky part of me says there’s only half the danger in giving something away nobody can run at home anyway…

that's what intelligence takes. Most of intelligence is just compute

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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post #71

> For complex tasks, Kimi K2.5 can self-direct an agent swarm with up to 100 sub-agents, executing parallel workflows across up to 1,500 tool calls. > K2.5 Agent Swarm improves performance on complex tasks through parallel, specialized execution [..] leads to an 80% reduction in end-to-end runtime Not just RL on tool calling, but RL on agent orchestration, neat!

Parallel agents are such a simple, yet powerful hack. Using it in Claude Code with TeammateTool and getting lots of good results!

> TeammateTool

What is this?

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Gemini Pro's UI over Claude so much but honestly I might start using Kimi K2.5 if its open source & just +/- Gemini Pro/Chatgpt/Claude because at that point I feel like the results are negligible and we are getting SOTA open source models again.

> honestly I might start using Kimi K2.5 if its open source & just +/- Gemini Pro/Chatgpt/Claude because at that point I feel like the results are negligible and we are getting SOTA open source models again. Me too! > I like Gemini Pro's UI over Claude so much This I don't understand. I mean, I don't see a lot of difference in both UIs. Quite the opposite, apart from some animations, round corners and color gradings,…

Y'know I ended up buying Kimi's moderato plan which is 19$ but they had this unique idea where you can talk to a bot and they could reduce the price

I made it reduce the price of first month to 1.49$ (It could go to 0.99$ and my frugal mind wanted it haha but I just couldn't have it do that lol)

Anyways, afterwards for privacy purposes/( I am a minor so don't have a card), ended up going to g2a to get a 10$ Visa gift card essentially and used it. (I had to pay a 1$ extra but sure)

Installed kimi code on my mac and trying it out. Honestly, I am kind of liking it.

My internal benchmark is creating pomodoro apps in golang web... Gemini 3 pro has nailed it, I just tried the kimi version and it does have some bugs but it feels like it added more features.

Gonna have to try it out for a month.

I mean I just wish it was this cheap for the whole year :Gonna have to try it out more!

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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post #8

Huggingface Link: https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2.5 1T parameters, 32b active parameters. License: MIT with the following modification: Our only modification part is that, if the Software (or any derivative works thereof) is used for any of your commercial products or services that have more than 100 million monthly active users, or more than 20 million US dollars (or equivalent in other currencies) in mont…

One. Trillion. Even on native int4 that’s… half a terabyte of vram?! Technical awe at this marvel aside that cracks the 50th percentile of HLE, the snarky part of me says there’s only half the danger in giving something away nobody can run at home anyway…

Which conveniently fits on one 8xH100 machine. With 100-200 GB left over for overhead, kv-cache, etc.

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

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A realistic setup for this would be a 16× H100 80GB with NVLink. That comfortably handles the active 32B experts plus KV cache without extreme quantization. Cost-wise we are looking at roughly $500k–$700k upfront or $40–60/hr on-demand, which makes it clear this model is aimed at serious infra teams, not casual single-GPU deployments. I’m curious how API providers will price tokens on top of that hardware reality.

The weights are int4, so you'd only need 8xH100

Re: Kimi Released Kimi K2.5, Open-Source Visual SOTA-Agentic Model

#80
post #34

The "Deepseek moment" is just one year ago today! Coincidence or not, let's just marvel for a second over this amount of magic/technology that's being given away for free... and how liberating and different this is than OpenAI and others that were closed to "protect us all".

What amazes me is why would someone spend millions to train this model and give it away for free. What is the business here?
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