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I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by Shank »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #20

Health metrics are absolutely tarnished by a lack of proper context. Unsurprisingly, it turns out that you can't reliably take a concept as broad as health and reduce it to a number. We see the same arguments over and over with body fat percentages, vo2 max estimates, BMI, lactate thresholds, resting heart rate, HRV, and more. These are all useful metrics, but it's important to consider them in the proper context tha…

> But a doctor who sees a person come in who isn't complaining about anything in particular, moves around fine, doesn't have risk factors like age or family history, and has good metrics on a blood test is probably going to say they're in fine cardio health regardless of what their wearable says.

This is true of many metrics and even lab results. Good doctors will counsel you and tell you that the lab results are just one metric and one input. The body acclimates to its current conditions over time, and quite often achieves homeostasis.

My grandma was living for years with an SpO2 in the 90-95% range as measured by pulse oximetry, but this was just one metric measured with one method. It doesn't mean her blood oxygen was actually repeatedly dropping, it just meant that her body wasn't particularly suited to pulse oximetry.

Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by jesterson »

wawayanda wrote: post #16

A year or so ago, I fed my wife's blood work results into chatgpt and it came back with a terrifying diagnosis. Even after a lot of back and forth it stuck to its guns. We went to a specialist who performed some additional tests and explained that the condition cannot be diagnosed with just the original blood work and said that she did not have the condition. The whole thing was a borderline traumatic ordeal that I'm…

Never ceases to surpise me why people taking word salad output so seriously.

And probably the same people laugh at ancient folks carefully listening to shamans.

Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by [deleted] »

themafia wrote: post #38
wawayanda wrote: post #16

A year or so ago, I fed my wife's blood work results into chatgpt and it came back with a terrifying diagnosis. Even after a lot of back and forth it stuck to its guns. We went to a specialist who performed some additional tests and explained that the condition cannot be diagnosed with just the original blood work and said that she did not have the condition. The whole thing was a borderline traumatic ordeal that I'm…

> it stuck to its guns It gave you a probabilistic output. There were no guns and nothing to stick to. If you had disrupted the context with enough countervailing opinion it would have "relented" simply because the conversational probabilities changed.

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Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by ThundeChile »

evolighting wrote: post #67

Health data, medical records, even research data, is very scarce in the public domain. This is not just due to so-called privacy concerns, but because such data could have generated “value” (and been sold at a good price) long before the emergence of large language models.

I think it's quite alarming that people don't even think about the privacy when sending their health data to corporations which make a large percentage of their revenue selling the data onwards (or using it to things you didn't mean them to).

Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by irjustin »

vineyardmike wrote: post #50
irjustin wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this apples-apples at all? But to answer directly... yes? yes, I am. [edit] A bit it more real. My blood pressure monitor says my bp is 200/160. Chat says you're dead get yourself to a hospital. Get to the hospital and says oh your bp monitor is wrong. I'm happy? I would say that I am. Sure I'm annoyed at my machine, but way happier it's wrong than right.

This is another example of why its frustrating still. "Yes I'm happy I'm not dying" ignores that "go to the hospital [and waste a day, maybe some financial cost]" because a machine was wrong. This is still pretty inconvenient because a machine wasn't accurate/calibrated/engineered weak. Not dying is good, but the emotions and fear for a period of time is still bad.

Yeah I guess I just don't see eye-to-eye on this.

I 100% understand those frustrations. That the "detectors" should've been more accurate, or the fears, battery of tests, and costs associated of time and money. But, if you have the means to find out something that could have been extremely concerning is actually "nothing wrong" - isn't that worth it?

My friend is 45, had bloody stool -> colonoscopy -> polyps removed -> benign. Isn't that way better than colon cancer?

Maybe it's a glass half-empty-full thing.

Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by lnsru »

colechristensen wrote: post #68
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #20

Health metrics are absolutely tarnished by a lack of proper context. Unsurprisingly, it turns out that you can't reliably take a concept as broad as health and reduce it to a number. We see the same arguments over and over with body fat percentages, vo2 max estimates, BMI, lactate thresholds, resting heart rate, HRV, and more. These are all useful metrics, but it's important to consider them in the proper context tha…

>I'd go so far to say this is probably the case for most people. Your average person is in really poor fitness-shape but just fine health-shape. Modern medicine has failed to move into the era of subtlety and small problems and many people suffer as a result. Fitness nerds and general non-scientists fill the gap poorly so we get a ton of guessing and anecdotal evidence and likely a whole lot of bad advice. Doctors wo…

It’s not medicine. It’s healthcare system. Doctor isn’t paid enough to go thoroughly through the complaint and dig deeper. In Germany you get 5 minutes diagnose and that’s all from health insurance. And this from the better doctor. For normal one diagnose comes from 2 minutes interaction. Believing that the diagnose is right is very naive.

Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by bigbuppo »

wawayanda wrote: post #16

A year or so ago, I fed my wife's blood work results into chatgpt and it came back with a terrifying diagnosis. Even after a lot of back and forth it stuck to its guns. We went to a specialist who performed some additional tests and explained that the condition cannot be diagnosed with just the original blood work and said that she did not have the condition. The whole thing was a borderline traumatic ordeal that I'm…

Why not just ask WebMD?

Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by throwaway290 »

nomel wrote: post #15
dfajgljsldkjag wrote: post #5

The author is a healthy person but the computer program still gave him a failing grade of F. It is irresponsible for these companies to release broken tools that can cause so much fear in real people. They are treating serious medical advice like it is just a video game or a toy. Real users should not be the ones testing these dangerous products.

> It is irresponsible for these companies I would claim that ignoring the "ChatGPT is AI and can make mistakes. Check important info." text, right under the query they type in client, is clearly more irresponsible. I think that a disclaimer like that is the most useful and reasonable approach for AI. "Here's a tool, and it's sometimes wrong." means the public can have access to LLMs and AI. The alternative, that you…

> "ChatGPT is AI and can make mistakes. Check important info."

Is the same thing that can be said about any human

> "Doctor is human and can make mistakes"

Therefore it's really not sufficient to make it clear that it is wrong in different ways and worse than human.

Re: I let ChatGPT analyze a decade of my Apple Watch data, then I called my doctor

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Post by worldsavior »

wawayanda wrote: post #16

A year or so ago, I fed my wife's blood work results into chatgpt and it came back with a terrifying diagnosis. Even after a lot of back and forth it stuck to its guns. We went to a specialist who performed some additional tests and explained that the condition cannot be diagnosed with just the original blood work and said that she did not have the condition. The whole thing was a borderline traumatic ordeal that I'm…

I think it's your problem you got stressed from a probabilistic machine answering with what you want to hear.
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