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Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by freetanga »

sigmar wrote: post #19
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So people wouldn't stream the games ilegally... the private entity that owns the rights to broadcasting the games can arbitrarily ban whole subnets. the end result is well... not good: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45323856

A company using legal action to protect their IP rights is so different from a theocratic dictatorship shutting down the entire Internet to prevent their overthrow. Perhaps you don't follow the news about Iran but these comments are incredibly daft.

The problem itself is not IP protection…. They tried that, and were always chasing behind - servers changed week after week, ban after ban.

So, misteriously (suspicions of bribery abound) now they block full blocks of internet preventively, bringing down innocent and paying customers with them. From Law Enforcement to privatized Minority Report.

Thats what people dislike. If you are a private entity and loose money to piracy, use the legal framework to solve it. Don’t override it with lobbying

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Post by DeathArrow »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #16

Spacex satellites blockage was the surprise. How did they do it? I thought it would be the best dooms day kind of insurance. Turns out not.

You can jam the satellites, you can jam the receivers and you can jam GPS.

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Post by isoprophlex »

walletdrainer wrote: post #10
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean... EU already blocks eg. some russian sites (some countries more effectively than others)... plus all the chat control pressures every year. Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. But every such country likes pointing fingers at others, "hey, our censorship is not bad, they have more of it!". edit: considering the downvotes, HN is n…

> UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. There are no ID cards in the UK, so you actually have to get a special jerking off loicense.

I remember giggling at those "oi you got a loicense for that m8??!" memes. Funny, maybe, but not to be taken seriously.

Fast forward less than ten years, and here we are.

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #4
weikju wrote: post #2

… while every other country waits to see how it goes while drafting plans to emulate this

I mean... EU already blocks eg. some russian sites (some countries more effectively than others)... plus all the chat control pressures every year. Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. But every such country likes pointing fingers at others, "hey, our censorship is not bad, they have more of it!". edit: considering the downvotes, HN is n…

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Post by HDThoreaun »

culi wrote: post #46
feverzsj wrote: post #44

It actually surprised me that they didn't do it before. China already achieved this in 2010s.

Have they though? Everybody I know who grew up in China has told me its trivial to bypass restrictions with VPNs

"bypass restrictions" meaning put on a list of people to closely watch.

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Post by Symbiote »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #13
nntwozz wrote: post #9

If I were a betting man I'd wager that technological determinism wins in the end.

Do you think they have a better shot than any other country with an explicit firewall (Eritrea, China, NK, Cuba etc…)

I don't think Cuba belongs on that list.

They have limited service because they can't afford anything better, and the USA prevents installing additional undersea cables, but only a small number of sites are blocked by Cuba itself, such as a few Spanish language news sites run by Cuban-Americans.

Many more sites are unavailable in Cuba because their USA owners refuse access to Cuba, but that's not Cuba's fault.

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Post by yard2010 »

e-khadem wrote: post #48
breppp wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for someone with a tech background, how hard is it to setup your own tunnel? I'd assume cloud providers are whitelisted due to economic reasons?

Lol. That was _before_ these new restrictions. And don't assume that you could setup a simple wireguard server and be done with it. No, it had to be a proper low fingerprint method (e.g., you had to hide the tls-in-tls timing pattern and do traffic shaping). Now, something like dnstt sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. You may be able to open gmail in 10 minutes if it does, and you explicitly have to block the fonts.

Dam I feel so sorry for you :( At first I thought like gp, bypass it, then I realized you don't have the privilege to bypass it and leave trails behind. It's not like using a vpn to watch netflix of another country, as netflix won't knock on your door.

I wish you all the best. Stay safe my friend.

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Post by j3th9n »

yolkedgeek wrote: post #54
michelsedgh wrote: post #27

They already have uncensored unfiltered sim cards they issue to their own people, we found that out when X (Twitter) started showing which country you made the accout from and thousands of people had Iran which normal people can't access X without VPN. Its just that they shut off the internet for normal people now, which they hadn't done before.

No, This is different. In "normal" filtering situations, we can connect to most VPNs and do our stuff. When blackouts like these happen, EVERYTHING is blocked. It gets almost impossible to connect to a VPN. They have advanced tech that detects and blocks all VPNS and proxies. The internet speed is also now at crawling speed so you really can't upload download anything. Also, in each blackout, people find ways to work…

LoRa Meshcore.

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Post by peyton »

culi wrote: post #46
feverzsj wrote: post #44

It actually surprised me that they didn't do it before. China already achieved this in 2010s.

Have they though? Everybody I know who grew up in China has told me its trivial to bypass restrictions with VPNs

Depending on where you are, “everybody I know who grew up in China” may not be an unbiased sample w.r.t. ideology, forthcomingness, or truth-telling.
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