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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by retired »

Namidairo wrote: post #63
retired wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

If I recall, for something like GPON or XGS-PON, you end up having to clone the various attributes of the original for it to work properly. This typically includes serial number, hardware id, firmware identifiers, etc.

Question out of curiosity. I once swapped a TPLink media converter between two homes, both using the same ISP, to debug internet issues and to see if that would improve the situation. Did I do something incredibly illegal? And did my ISP get confused seeing my media converter on the other side of town?

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by hdgvhicv »

direwolf20 wrote: post #53
lucianbr wrote: post #47

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What does it matter where they are routed through? You think your Starlink service in Germany is beyond the control of Musk or the US government?

I think Musk cares about revenue more than pissing off some random customer in Germany. As long as you don't stand out from the crowd, he'd rather have your $40. Use a VPN to be sure.

Until the us government says to withhold service or to tap the line.

Musk is a subject of the US president. Like all American CEO’s he has to pay his tribute and jump when the president’s law enforcement says to.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by vladvasiliu »

retired wrote: post #46
madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

I don't know if it's the case in Germany, but here in France consumer FTTH networks are of the GPON persuasion. These need to handle encryption and be able to properly register on the tree, so I'm not completely shocked they require some form of ISP-provided device to terminate the fiber connection.

There's also a EU law which says that users should be able to bring their own modems / routers, so AFAIK providers say that this particular terminal device is still "on their side of the network".

I've seen such devices come in two varieties.

One is a separate device which plugs on the optical network, does the encryption and stuff, and then exposes an ethernet port which is connected to the actual router which does wifi, etc. With SFR and Bouygues, it was trivial [0] to replace the ISP-provided router with one of your choosing. You get the normal external IPs and you do your thing. The ISP router sleeps in its box in storage. This was my setup up until a few years ago, with both these providers. Now SFR has moved to CGNAT, but the setup is the same, so I expect users to still be able to switch routers (but I haven't tested, since I'm not a client anymore).

Then there's Free, who provides a single device that connects to the fiber, does routing, wifi, etc. In this case, it's possible to flip a switch in its settings for it to act as a bridge (don't know how wifi behaves in this case, if it stays on). It then only accepts a single downstream client, which gets the external IP. SFR had a similar setup for DOCSIS.

I'm not familiar with how Orange, the biggest operator, functions. But I understand they have a general tendency to be a PITA so YMMV with them.

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[0] For Bouygues, this device only talked on a tagged VLAN100 for some reason. On the SFR, the network expected you to send a client id in the DHCP request.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by ccozan »

em-bee wrote: post #41
shevy-java wrote: post #32

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> And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . > [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ] Right - but then you also depend on an US service here. And the USA changed policy where Europeans became enemies ("we won't give you arms to defend against Russian invaders! Greenland will be occupied by our military soon!"). It's a bad si…

are all starlink connections routed through the US? don't they do local downlinks? at least for countries they have an agreement with or where the infrastructure is available?

No. My endpoint is in Berlin. Which implies there is a EU based major downlink somewhere.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by B1FIDO »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #73
retired wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

I don't know if it's the case in Germany, but here in France consumer FTTH networks are of the GPON persuasion. These need to handle encryption and be able to properly register on the tree, so I'm not completely shocked they require some form of ISP-provided device to terminate the fiber connection. There's also a EU law which says that users should be able to bring their own modems / routers, so AFAIK providers say…

The term you're looking for is "demarc" or: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarcation_point

This is the physical boundary of a network, in telecommunications. This is the junction where the service provider can point and say "that's our equipment on this side". So it helps to narrow down the troubleshooting.

Often, if you have a telephone landline, you will see your demarc take the form of a gray RJ11 box with a small self-plug in it. It would be common practice to plug a phone into that box directly, then you've eliminated the "inside wiring" in the house.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by monsieurbanana »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #50
madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

> providers install their own Glass Fiber modem It's the same in the US. The ISP fiber network falls inside their security boundary in my experience - you can't BYOD. They install a modem (these days often including an integrated router, switch, and AP) and you receive either ethernet or wifi from them. I think the only major change in that regard has been that coaxial cable providers here will often let you bring yo…

Faraday fabric is inexpensive, you can use ethernet to your own router and wrap the isp's in it.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by simianparrot »

shevy-java wrote: post #32
ccozan wrote: post #9

Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

> And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . > [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ] Right - but then you also depend on an US service here. And the USA changed policy where Europeans became enemies ("we won't give you arms to defend against Russian invaders! Greenland will be occupied by our military soon!"). It's a bad si…

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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by heraldgeezer »

blauditore wrote: post #33
heraldgeezer wrote: post #22

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>For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Sounds like an access line issue with DSL (lol) DSL is so old you can't even order it in Sweden anymore. Also, the post above would be a core issue not access.

Excuse me, I remember when DSL was the latest and greatest, it can't possibly be this old. :')

I mean yes me too, but that was in 2005. I feel like "everyone" got fibre here 10 years ago and if not there is 4/5G mobile broadband.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by ccozan »

Doohickey-d wrote: post #44
avra wrote: post #36

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How can a satellite connection be more weather independent than a landline? Not questioning your statement. Just wondering what could be the reason. A segment with a long distance directional antenna?

With ADSL: broken waterproofing somewhere along the line, water gets into the cables or connections == broken while it's raining. Then you call their customer support, tech comes out, it's not raining anymore and everything works, and the problem doesn't get fixed.

Exactly what I am suspecting! I called so many times: nothing found all works as expected.

As for the starlink: I noticed that clouds or weather ( rain snow ) does not have a true effect. Must be the frequency is not absorbed by the water in the air or similar effects. Only hard blocking with construction or big canopies of trees is struggling.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by hdgvhicv »

direwolf20 wrote: post #60
ekianjo wrote: post #18

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> Most advanced railway system in eu France is certainly better

I believe Germany's is much more interconnected while France's mostly goes from Paris to other places. Mesh versus star topology.

That’s be a use Germany economy is far more distributed (5 or so economic centres) across the country where as counties like France and U.K. have one centre, and places like Spain and Italy two (Madrid/Barca and Rome/Milan)
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