your car is a talking-to-the-fascist-cops machine now. truly dystopian shit
Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
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Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure what the technology by which the data from the speed camera is downloaded has to do with identifying the driver? The reason for this "ludicrous" procedure is that the police can identify the owner of the car (based on the license plate), but not the driver , so the owner has to say who was driving. And all of this has to be done in a way that will hold up in court, therefore snail mail. The same procedur…
Wouldn't it be more reasonable to just issue the fine to the owner of the car? The owner allowed the person to use their car and accepts that responsibility. If it was stolen, then just say so. Even in the case of fleets, someone is responsible for know who is operating the vehicle and when. The gov't shouldn't care about it any further than holding the owner responsible. If the owner doesn't want to rat out the actu…
Speeding is a criminal offence, lying about who was driving is punishable by prison.
Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a horrible system. Britain used to be famous for the professionalism of their police and now they can’t be bothered to make a traffic stop and give people speeding tickets face to face.
I’m a bit biased here, because a close friend’s mother was killed by someone speeding through a red light. I think automated enforcement of minor driving infractions is a good thing. More efficient use of government resources. Incentivizes drivers to follow the rules of the road.
Now, I'll be the first to agree that you're biased, but surely you see that the rules and norms of the road are generally far more nuanced and not necessarily identical the rules of the road as the government writes them?
There's no reason motorists shouldn't be able to go almost any speed on motorways, conditions permitting. Germany's system is fairly sensible in this regard and many American states have one or two good laws that correlate well with norms and should be adopted elsewhere.
If the rules and laws actually reflected norms of behavior there would be more appetite for enforcement.
Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
your source...is a union? really? you can look at ONS numbers yourself (and you will see this isn't the case). Scotland has seen a drastic reduction in police numbers (unfortunately for you, not a Tory government :( oh well) despite record government funding levels. Labour's plan appears to be attempting the same trick with consolidation of forces, which should allow massive reductions in numbers. In Scotland, there…
> you can look at ONS numbers yourself ONS numbers say >20,000 fewer frontline officers from 2010-2018, which is pretty much in line with what the union said. See the graph here: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-en... > In Scotland, there are some days when there is one traffic car covering an area the size of England Are you high, or did an AI write this? Area of Scotland: 80,231 km^2 Area o…
2010-2018...when did the Tories time in government end? Based on your comment, I am assuming 2018.
Lol, quite the pedant. To be clear though, yes when they are short-staffed they only have one car actually on patrol for the whole country (iirc, the actual full staffing policy overnights is two cars...which you can see has been covered by the media).
Traffic was consolidated into Police Scotland so there is only one police force, and so there aren't local forces patrolling a local area. I believe the total number of traffic police is something like 400 now (which is mostly not people on patrol) and so, overnight around holidays, the policy is to have two cars which turns into less than that on some occasions.
Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
your source...is a union? really? you can look at ONS numbers yourself (and you will see this isn't the case). Scotland has seen a drastic reduction in police numbers (unfortunately for you, not a Tory government :( oh well) despite record government funding levels. Labour's plan appears to be attempting the same trick with consolidation of forces, which should allow massive reductions in numbers. In Scotland, there…
> In Scotland, there are some days when there is one traffic car covering an area the size of England, Scotland is smaller than England, so this makes no sense. Furthermore, anyone who drives regularly in Scotland knows this to be completely false - there are plenty of traffic cops around (sometimes incognito too), and they are sometimes even seen waiting in rural and semi-rural areas.
Again, there are not. The number has fallen significantly...I am not sure what you are arguing with (or why). You can just check because the number of police and the number of traffic police is reported. If you just Google, you will see that the current staffing level for overnight in Scotland is two cars for traffic police.
I live in a rural area, I have done so for two/three decades. When I moved here, you very often saw police doing speed checks because I live in an affluent area and the police would come out if you asked the right people. I don't think I have seen that for fifteen years. Again though, the data is that the number is way down since consolidation...which was the point and stated aim of the policy.
Hilarious to see pearl-clutching when people point out the SNP has been doing this after complaining about the Tories. This is why the UK is so shit, reality doesn't matter, just politics.
Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Correct. Obligation is on the individual to prove receipt by the Police (in the event they claim you didn't respond).
I believe that for Royal Mail at least, proof of posting is considered sufficient to work as proof of receipt.
that's difficult when most post is dropped in a metal box on a street. But I'd argue that not the issue people have with the way these laws work in practice.
For those that don't use the UK postal service, Royal Mail has a recorded delivery option that can show that, at least something, mostly likely what was sent, was delivered to the address.
The issue here is that the UK government has given itself a pass that, 'trust us, we sent it' is fair and legal, while at the same time refusing to allow not the government to use the same argument.
People tend to get upset when laws and legal defenses are asymmetric, doubly so when its skewed to protect the bureaucracy at the expense of the citizen.
Just for reference the Royal Mail uses complaints to track losses, in the year 2017-2018, Royal Mail received 250,000 complaints for lost items, out of around 6 billion items processed [0]. Of course that requires that the sender somehow knows that the item was lost, so losses are likely significantly higher.
Without a recorded delivery, 'I never received what you sent' should absolutely be a valid defense. Although, 'Trust me I sent it', should not be a valid argument for either side, unless they can show that the item was send and received.
[0] https://descrier.co.uk/business/how-frequently-is-post-lost-...
Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#77[flagged]
You switched accounts before reposting. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46733330 )
And then switched again to reply to themselves. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46733370
Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#7820k in fines, so just over half of cost of 1 Model 3
Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#79[flagged]
Reality check: the issue with Donald Trump video manipulation is that media are consistently showing him more coherent and saner then he actually is.
If you'd seen the before/after video clips you'd understand that this is a pretty big deal. The BBC spliced two separate video clips nearly 1hr apart to make out that Trump was an insurrectionist.
Original quote:
"We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women"
Manipulated BBC version of quote:
"We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol, and I'll be there with you, and we fight. We fight like hell"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjPlfUt4S9U
If you dislike Trump, you should be angry at the BBC for lending legitimacy to Trump's "fake news" narrative.
Re: Tesla fined for repeatedly failing to help UK police over driving offences
#80Seems like some kind of weird quirk that the government doesn't already have this information readily available. Why isn't there a registration process for the person that leased the car?
The answer you seek is right there in the article (emphasis mine): > Tesla offers its vehicles on long-term leases, and in such a scenario the leasing company is typically the registered keeper of the car. > Drivers of rented or company cars caught speeding have to be named before they can face prosecution and companies which fail to return paperwork to police can be prosecuted instead. A company leases the car, and…
The answer is not in the article. The question is: why isn't there a registration process for the person that leased the car? How are rented or company cars even relevant, since that's a different company between Tesla and the driver that would have the information about the driver? It seems like a weird quirk that there's not a registration process closer that leads somewhere closer to the actual driver. Is it a privacy issue? Is it just because enforcement is easier against a larger company?