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Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by direwolf20 »

Applejinx wrote: post #55

One way this can backfire: if you have no reputation and are nobody, and get banned and publically ridiculed, this is now a badge of honor you can take to wealthy and deluded people convinced of the AI future, to say 'look, I have been shot at! I'm a true believer!' And then maybe they will give you money.

Only if there's a wealthy political group that hates the thing you just got ridiculed by. When you get expelled from a climate conference you can become a right-wing figurehead, but when you get expelled from the cURL vulnerability program, nobody cares.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by coldtea »

moralestapia wrote: post #24
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

>Indian students How do you know this?

Ever been on Stack Overflow before LLMs became a thing?

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by tjpnz »

nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

It's Hacktoberfest all year long, baby!

https://joel.net/how-one-guy-ruined-hacktoberfest2020-drama

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by notahacker »

johnisgood wrote: post #32
mikkupikku wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subjecting every real contributor to the "AI guardian" would be unfair, and shadow banning is ineffective when you're dealing with a large number of drive-by nuisances rather than a small number of dedicated trolls. Public humiliation is actually a great solution here.

How effective is it against people who just simply does not care?

I suspect people are doing it to pad their resume with "projects contributed to" rather than to troll the maintainers, so if they're paying any attention they probably do care...

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Post by BoorishBears »

causalscience wrote: post #44
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

Askers vs Guessers: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/2010/05/askers-vs-guess...

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Post by whateverboat »

causalscience wrote: post #44
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

It's desperational. The desperation of not having to lose any contract. The desperation of being just one bad year away from being on the streets and having to live a terrible life (no food security).

For students, often there is no pathway to actually become good due to lack of resources. So, the only way is to fake it into a job and then become good.

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Post by Hamuko »

chairmansteve wrote: post #67
Hamuko wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I intensely dislike the idea that we need more AI in order to deal with AI. If I ever need to start using an AI to summarize text that someone else has generated with AI from a short summary, I'm gonna be so fucking done.

You're done dude. I'm sure it's already happening. What are you going to do now?

It's not happening because I'm not using an AI to summarize text. At the moment slop text is also fairly easy to recognise, so I can just ignore it instead.

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Post by hypeatei »

f311a wrote: post #68
hypeatei wrote: post #51

> We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap If shame worked, then slop reports would've stopped being made already. Public ridicule only creates a toxic environment where good faith actors are caught up in unnecessary drama because a maintainer felt their time was being wasted. Ban them, close your bug bounty program, whatever, but don't start attacking people when you feel slighted bec…

It worked well for me when people were stealing my articles, pretending they wrote them. One tweet or mention in Linkedin and the article is gone.

Plagiarism is much different than collaborating on open source projects but I'm glad that calling them out worked.

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Post by wojciii »

From https://curl.se/docs/code-of-conduct.html:

"As contributors and maintainers of this project, we pledge to respect all people who contribute through reporting issues, posting feature requests, updating documentation, submitting pull requests or patches, and other activities"

Why have a code of conduct while being hostile to contributors?

I think they should handle this differently.

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Post by jddj »

duckydude20 wrote: post #60
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

i f8cking hate being born here. volume of low quality content, dsa/leetcode, etc. is so high, good people/content gets left out. networking, connections, nepotism so much high. getting job based on actual talent very rare. MNCs which are good outside are so much sh8t here; well capitalism doesn't give a f8ck anyways.

> capitalism doesn't give a f8ck anyways

It doesn't until suddenly it does. A glut of junk can eventually trigger a flight to quality.

Sadly, possibly not on a timeline which works for a given individual.

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