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GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

Ironic that they created this post and I immediately felt like referencing ouroborous even when I hadn't looked at the website but then I opened it and the first thing I see is an AI generated image of Ouroborous

Like the irony is pretty deep with this one about this.

I am not sure if they could've gotten trademark from Inscryption/if they needed it but if they really wanted, I have found inscryption's ouroborous card to look the best and it was honestly how I discovered ouroborous in the first place! (became my favourite card, I love inscryption)

https://static1.thegamerimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uplo...

Even just searching Ouroborous on internet gave me some genuinely beautiful Ouroborous illustrations (Some stock photos, some not) but even using a stock photo might have made a better idea than using AI generated Ouroboros photo itself?

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #68
aogaili wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People should vote for more socialist governments pushing for UBI and automation tax on the companies..but which this comment get downvoted because of the capitalism religion.

Imo socialism isn't the solution, but we probably can all agree that capitalism looks dangerous at the moment.

> Imo socialism isn't the solution, but we probably can all agree that capitalism looks dangerous at the moment.

I believe some socialism aspects while being georgist and expanding the definition of rent seeking to include large hyperscalers or internet attention farms in some sense too.

As a young person, I can't afford to buy a house and some of us even wonder if we would be able to afford rent in such a shaky economy. Even migration towards different countries I feel like rent becomes the most major aspect imo.

Mr beat's video on georgism genuinely changed how I perceive things ngl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c5xjlmLfAw : [I found the last bad way to tax] (talks about georgism)

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by tyg13 »

lbrito wrote: post #18
alfalfasprout wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this is being downvoted. It's spot on. You see folks like Dario et al. raising the alarm bells about what they claim is coming... while working as hard as they can to bring that gloomy future to fruition. No one in power is going to help unless there's money in it.

Its being downvoted because HN has a very active billionaire-techbro-fanbase. Also who's this Dario?

Presumably Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #70
worik wrote: post #49

The old model of selling eyeballs to advertisers was horrible I do not know what will replace it, but I will not miss websites trying to monetise my attention

It was easier to install adblock than to lobotomize a LLM (for which you likely don't even have the weights), so I don't know about that one.

To be fair yes, but I am finding that its much easier to lobotomize in the sense that atleast open source models like glm 4.7 are really permissive & even some non open source models are permissive as well.

of course chatgpt might deny it but It is just the tip of the ice berg.

My worries actually are that we might use these models and think we are private but when in actuality, we are not. We are probably gonna see an open source model which is really good for such purposes while being able to run on normal hardware (macs etc.) without much hassle. I tried liquidfm on my mac and its a 1B model and it has some flaws and isn't completely uncensored but I don't know to me it does feel like an more compact and even uncensored model can be built for very simple purposes.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by ropable »

Everyone here throwing shade at Stack Overflow is clearly too young to remember the horror of Experts Exchange and every other technical help site prior to SO. For nearly a decade, it was absolutely transformative as a technical help resource. It certainly had its faults, but it was so far ahead of the other options as to be game-changing.

I believe that the main reason for SO's decline starting around 2018 was that most of the core technical questions had been answered. There was an enormous existing corpus of accepted answers around fundamental topics, and technology just doesn't change fast enough to sustain the site. Then the LLMs digested the site's (beautifully machine-readable) corpus along with the rest of the internet and now the AIs can give users that info directly, resulting in a downward spiral of traffic to SO, fewer new questions, etc.

Vale, Stack Overflow. You helped me solve many tricky problems.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by go_photon_go »

ropable wrote: post #75

Everyone here throwing shade at Stack Overflow is clearly too young to remember the horror of Experts Exchange and every other technical help site prior to SO. For nearly a decade, it was absolutely transformative as a technical help resource. It certainly had its faults, but it was so far ahead of the other options as to be game-changing. I believe that the main reason for SO's decline starting around 2018 was that…

Stack Overflow should pivot to be an AI agents/local LLM information board and advertise the non-stack overflow stack exchange sites. There is a lot they could do.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by ralph84 »

ropable wrote: post #75

Everyone here throwing shade at Stack Overflow is clearly too young to remember the horror of Experts Exchange and every other technical help site prior to SO. For nearly a decade, it was absolutely transformative as a technical help resource. It certainly had its faults, but it was so far ahead of the other options as to be game-changing. I believe that the main reason for SO's decline starting around 2018 was that…

Prior to SO we had Usenet, mailing lists, and IRC. They weren't so bad before spammers found them.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by sharadov »

ropable wrote: post #75

Everyone here throwing shade at Stack Overflow is clearly too young to remember the horror of Experts Exchange and every other technical help site prior to SO. For nearly a decade, it was absolutely transformative as a technical help resource. It certainly had its faults, but it was so far ahead of the other options as to be game-changing. I believe that the main reason for SO's decline starting around 2018 was that…

At one point I was in the top 10 in the Experts Exchange Leaderboard! It sucked as a platform, but I did learn a lot helping answer questions.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by geoduck14 »

shagie wrote: post #62
georgefrowny wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was very strange to me how StackOverflow consistently, every time it was mentioned everyone had exactly the same complaints and nothing changed. They can't have been unaware of the reputation or the sinking activity rates.

There are multiple groups on Stack Overflow with different (and sometimes conflicting) goals and desires. Corporate measured "engagement" and has been trying things to make that number go up. The curators of the site... if they could have tools to measure would be measuring the median quality of the questions being asked and the answers being given. People asking questions on the site have changed from the "building…

>So while they have been aware, (I believe) corporate has been trying to solve the wrong problems at odds with both the people asking questions ("help me now") and the remaining curators.

This feels spot on

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