Is this still in print, maybe as part of a collection? I tried to find it but couldn't. Many of his other works seem to be available as paperback, including a bunch of story collections.
Though it doesn't directly answer your question, isfdb.org is a great reference for publication history of SF: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?55700
Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)
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Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)
#72A very nice story, and an interesting reflection on the education system. Also, and this is just an aside, but “the protagonist who is too special for the sorting hat” is a bit of a trope in young adult literature at this point. Is this the first real instance of it? 1957. That’s a while ago! I don’t even know if the “sorting hat” trope was established enough to subvert at the time.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
What concerns me is that learning depth is more discouraged than ever. For a long time it's been discouraged, which is natural as we have a preference for simple things rather than difficult/complex things. But we're pushing much harder than ever before. From the way we have influencer education videos to the way people push LLMs ("you can just vibe code, no thinking required"). We've advanced enough that it's easy t…
It is from my observation that more and more companies, even FAANG, not only encourage fast iteration with LLM tools, but discourage true study and thinking through. The later is inevitably slow, which is not favourable for today’s fast iteration world. This makes me think that it is so important to get into the right team, otherwise one runs the risk of not properly thinking and experimenting again.
The incentive and loss function are pointing to short term attention and long term amnesia. We are fighting the algorithms.
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Ironically, when machine learning is getting “deeper & deeper”, human learning is getting more and more impatient and shallow. I have been searching “Vibe coding” videos on YouTube that are not promoting something. And I found this one and sat down and watched the whole three hours. It does take a lot of real effort. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7Au1tzNxE
I'm a machine learning researcher myself and one of the things that frustrates me is that many of my peers really embrace the "black box" notion of ML models. There are plenty of deep thinkers too, but like with any topic the masters are a much smaller proportion. Just a bit of a shame given that I'm talking about a bunch of people with PhDs... As for my experience vibe coding is that it is not so much vibing but nee…
Once Rust can be agentic coded, there will be millions of mines hidden in our critical infrastructure. Then we are doomed.
Someone needs to see the problem coming and start to work on the paths to solution.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a machine learning researcher myself and one of the things that frustrates me is that many of my peers really embrace the "black box" notion of ML models. There are plenty of deep thinkers too, but like with any topic the masters are a much smaller proportion. Just a bit of a shame given that I'm talking about a bunch of people with PhDs... As for my experience vibe coding is that it is not so much vibing but nee…
Since the JavaScript and Python worlds are heavily polluted by LLMs, I start to look into Rust and Cargo ecosystem. Surprisingly it picked up the pace as quickly as possible. Once Rust can be agentic coded, there will be millions of mines hidden in our critical infrastructure. Then we are doomed. Someone needs to see the problem coming and start to work on the paths to solution.
That's the real scary part to me. It really ramps up the botnets. Those that know what to look for have better automation tools to attack and at the same time we're producing more vulnerable places. It's like we're creating as much kindling as possible and producing more easy strike matches. It's a fire waiting to happen.
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#76I am sort of questioning my use of LLMs again after, first reluctantly, starting to use them multiple times a day. This story seems like it was intended to be an allegory for LLM-use though I know it couldn't have been.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since the JavaScript and Python worlds are heavily polluted by LLMs, I start to look into Rust and Cargo ecosystem. Surprisingly it picked up the pace as quickly as possible. Once Rust can be agentic coded, there will be millions of mines hidden in our critical infrastructure. Then we are doomed. Someone needs to see the problem coming and start to work on the paths to solution.
The mines are already being placed. There are plenty of people vibe coding C programs. Despite C documentation and examples being more prolific than rust, well... C vulnerabilities are quite easy to create and are even in those examples. You can probably even get the LLMs to find these mines, but it'll require you to know about them. That's the real scary part to me. It really ramps up the botnets. Those that know wh…
https://wtfm-rs.github.io/wtfm-serde/doc/wtfm_serde/
I know this is orders of magnitude smaller than npm or pip, but if this is the best we can get 50 years since 70s UNIX on PDP-11, we are doomed.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is from my observation that more and more companies, even FAANG, not only encourage fast iteration with LLM tools, but discourage true study and thinking through. The later is inevitably slow, which is not favourable for today’s fast iteration world. This makes me think that it is so important to get into the right team, otherwise one runs the risk of not properly thinking and experimenting again.
So how do we find or make the right teams? The incentive and loss function are pointing to short term attention and long term amnesia. We are fighting the algorithms.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mines are already being placed. There are plenty of people vibe coding C programs. Despite C documentation and examples being more prolific than rust, well... C vulnerabilities are quite easy to create and are even in those examples. You can probably even get the LLMs to find these mines, but it'll require you to know about them. That's the real scary part to me. It really ramps up the botnets. Those that know wh…
I did a toy experiment on a pretty low level crate (serde) in Rust ecosystem, to run a simple demonstration from their website pulling in 42M of dependencies. https://wtfm-rs.github.io/wtfm-serde/doc/wtfm_serde/ I know this is orders of magnitude smaller than npm or pip, but if this is the best we can get 50 years since 70s UNIX on PDP-11, we are doomed.
On a side note, I wonder how much of this is due to the avoidance of abstraction. I hear so many say that the biggest use they get from LLMs is avoiding repetition. But I don't quite understand this, as repetition implies poor coding. I also don't understand why there's such a strong reaction against abstraction. Of course, there is such a thing as too much abstraction and this should be avoided, but code, by its very nature, is abstraction. It feels much like how people turned Knuth's "premature optimization is the root of all evil" from "grab a profiler before you optimize you idiot" to "optimization is to be avoided at all costs".
Part of my questioning here is that as the barriers to entry are lowered do these kinds of gross mischaracterizations become more prevalent? Seems like there is a real dark side to lowering the barrier to entry. Just as we see in any social setting (like any subreddit or even HN) that as the population grows the culture changes significantly, and almost always to be towards the novice. For example, it seems that on HN we can't even make the assumption that a given user is a programmer. I'm glad we're opening up (as I'm glad we make barriers to entry lower), but "why are you here if you don't want to learn the details?" How do we lower barriers and increase openness without killing the wizards and letting the novices rule?
Re: Profession by Isaac Asimov (1957)
#80Is this still in print, maybe as part of a collection? I tried to find it but couldn't. Many of his other works seem to be available as paperback, including a bunch of story collections.
I have it in print. As part of Isaac Asimov: The Complete Stories Volume 1 (Published by Harper Voyager)