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Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by SirWalross »

komali2 wrote: post #14
shlip wrote: post #8

We will soon discover if the EU actually as a spine or is just a bendover for the US...(My money is on the latter, and I'm from EU)

Fascist states get at least one free pass. For Germany it was Poland, for the USA I believe they're deciding between Venezuela and Greenland. Personally I think the better bet is Greenland because they can probably get Venezuela for free after since nobody cares about Venezuela. A "two in one deal" if you will, perhaps one of America's greatest inventions. Edit: I meant to write Austria but am so used to writing "Ger…

Poland was hardly a free pass. The Sudetenland was the free pass.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by Trasmatta »

komali2 wrote: post #63
Trasmatta wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has repeatedly backed off when he's challenged. It's happened time and time again. It's the reason TACO is a thing. The best strategy against him is to be relentless about pushing back, even if on paper the US is more powerful.

It seems you can also just lie to help him save face, like Canada did when it agreed it would adopt very strict border control policies to stop "drugs coming into the USA," and listed out steps that all were just existent Canadian laws and policies.

Yeah, another strategy is to just give him something he can claim as a W even if it's bullshit, or to glaze him enough. He's so hyperfixated on owning Greenland though, that I'm not sure those will work this time.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by jleyank »

palata wrote: post #48
voidfunc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. It will align with the US reluctantly because even a bat shit crazy US is better than Russia. China plays it too close to the chest to be a friend.

> Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. Well, Europe effectively has enemies on both sides right now .

Germany is used to that, and it never seemed to deter them in the past. Us has a hard time deploying lots of troops vs Europe. Shoulder and truck launched weaponry, 3 shifts, 7 days.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by komali2 »

alibarber wrote: post #23
Trasmatta wrote: post #13

There's no reason for the US to own Greenland except for the hyperfixation of one man. I hate that this is the world we continue to live in.

I think he knows the end* is drawing near and he hasn't got long to cement his legacy in painting more of the map in his colours. * 'end' being anything from nature's course, to losing the support of his own inner core as they jostle for succession, upcoming midterms leading to impeachment...

Or, he's acting like a man that doesn't have to worry about elections.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by wongarsu »

komali2 wrote: post #14
shlip wrote: post #8

We will soon discover if the EU actually as a spine or is just a bendover for the US...(My money is on the latter, and I'm from EU)

Fascist states get at least one free pass. For Germany it was Poland, for the USA I believe they're deciding between Venezuela and Greenland. Personally I think the better bet is Greenland because they can probably get Venezuela for free after since nobody cares about Venezuela. A "two in one deal" if you will, perhaps one of America's greatest inventions. Edit: I meant to write Austria but am so used to writing "Ger…

The Greenland situation is more like Germany annexing the Sudetenland (the border regions of Czechoslovakia) in 1938. And after that Hitler got his homeland Austria as another freebie. That's stretching the analogy a bit, but Venezuela might be Trump's Austria. His Poland would be something like Canada

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by picafrost »

austinwade wrote: post #34
picafrost wrote: post #11

Totally bizarre to watch the US transform from the endearingly crazy and rich friend to the one who holds you at gunpoint and robs you.

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I find this narrative in some corners of American politics fascinating because of how completely it misunderstands US power.

Hegemony isn't charity. It's expensive. What the US gains is an invitation to exert power all over the world from bases and ports within countries playing a willing role in the US position. It gains the US dollar as the reserve currency and petro-currency of the world. In particular, without the world accepting the US dollar as the reserve currency, the US's ability to maintain a large budget deficit evaporates.

To gain this sort of power without invitation and strong alliances built on shared understanding and trust will cost the US much, much more in the longer term.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by throwaway_20357 »

voidfunc wrote: post #20
shlip wrote: post #8

We will soon discover if the EU actually as a spine or is just a bendover for the US...(My money is on the latter, and I'm from EU)

Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. It will align with the US reluctantly because even a bat shit crazy US is better than Russia. China plays it too close to the chest to be a friend.

Indeed. As the US abandons it, the EU seemingly has no other choice than to find ways to align with Russia now.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by fofoz »

My impression as a European is that trust in the United States has now been burned, and that companies are slowly, but inexorably, completely rethinking their dependence on the U.S. I believe this is a process that is not reversible in the medium term.

Trump, like any politician, will sooner or later pass. How many institutional reforms will the United States have to undertake, and how long will it take before the world trusts them again?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by pessimizer »

joduplessis wrote: post #26

I wish Europe would just push back. More than what they are currently. There is so much potential there, but somehow the EU all look at the US as some form of idealogical father figure. Excuse the hyperbolic-talk.

The fact is that there is no potential there. Europe has no leverage over the US. It is not holding back anything, it has nothing.

Somehow when the US went to war with Russia, it ended up completing the conquest of Europe. Europe used to just be stagnant. Now it is stagnant and isolated from everywhere except the US, and the US treats it accordingly.

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