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The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by kryogen1c »

prhn wrote: post #61
reactordev wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open, lights on, spotlights on your wall safe, with the keys still inserted? The CEO should be in prison.

Technically, yes it is still burglary. It's an odd position to take, that a crime was not committed or the offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced.

> odd position [...] offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced

Not really, intent is a part of the crime. If the barrier for crime is extremely small, the crime itself is less egregious.

Planning a robbery is not the same as picking up a wallet on the sidewalk. This is a feature, not a bug.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by shellac »

bitbasher wrote: post #68

Wasn't he the guy that used tar for the leaked folder of data, but the tar included his user folder which contained his legal name?

It's in the article. Not sure it had his name, but certainly his family name since he looked for records concerning his relatives.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by reactordev »

rzmmm wrote: post #70
reactordev wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open, lights on, spotlights on your wall safe, with the keys still inserted? The CEO should be in prison.

Someone presented a hypothetical scenario: What if a hacker would write a virus, which breached a totally unprotected database after the hacker has passed away. It's clear that the therapy provider is at least partially responsible.

Posthumous crime is the ultimate because the legal system is all about punishing the living until they are dead.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by reactordev »

kryogen1c wrote: post #71
prhn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, yes it is still burglary. It's an odd position to take, that a crime was not committed or the offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced.

> odd position [...] offense isn't as bad if the difficulties of committing the crime have been removed or reduced Not really, intent is a part of the crime. If the barrier for crime is extremely small, the crime itself is less egregious. Planning a robbery is not the same as picking up a wallet on the sidewalk. This is a feature, not a bug.

This. 1000x this.

Yes, it’s still wrong to take things but the guy should get like community service teaching white hat techniques or something. The CEO should be charged with gross negligence, fraud, and any HIPPA/Medical records laws he violated - per capita. Meaning he should face 1M+ counts of …

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by iberator »

ryanlol wrote: post #56
itintheory wrote: post #50

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You're the guy in the article? Could you elaborate and share more of your side of the story?

I am indeed the guy in the article. My side of the story is fairly boring, didn't do crime but got blamed for it anyway by desperate cops. The whole investigation has been bizarre, for example, no-one has ever searched my homes, or even attempted to seize my personal devices. Should find out within the next couple of months if the appeals court decides to acquit.

Wow. That's why I love HN. :)

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by alibarber »

raverbashing wrote: post #17
jruohonen wrote: post #13

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Indeed, the CEO was held criminally liable, but the charges were dropped in a higher court just recently. From the article: "In April 2023, Tapio was found guilty of criminal negligence in his handling of patient data. His conviction was overturned on appeal in December 2025. (He declined my requests to interview him.)" More specifically, he was charged of a data protection crime (i.e., note that in Finland these GDP…

Funny whenever people complain about the GDPR here they're thinking they would be slapped with a €20Mi fine and that EU team 6 is going to parachute in their office and arrest everyone So they're saying this is not the case?

Well, not for public bodies at least: “ Administrative fines cannot be imposed on public organisations, such as the government or state-owned companies, municipalities and parishes” [1]

But luckily this sort of thing never happens in the public sector. Except for when it does: https://yle.fi/a/74-20094950

[1] https://tietosuoja.fi/en/corrective-powers

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by djohnston »

reactordev wrote: post #65
djohnston wrote: post #64

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It's a common attitude with people from low-trust societies. "I'm not a scammer - I'm clever. If you don't want us to scam your system why do you make it so easy?"

Welcome to America

Powerful.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by lifetimerubyist »

reactordev wrote: post #57
bigiain wrote: post #10

"the patient records database was accessible via the internet; there was no firewall and, perhaps most egregiously, it was secured with a blank password, so anyone could just press enter and open it" There _should_ be a bunch of people in jail for that. Including, but not limited to the CEO. It should also include all the people on the org chart between whoever set that database up and the CEO.

Exactly, was it a burglary when your front door is open, lights on, spotlights on your wall safe, with the keys still inserted? The CEO should be in prison.

Yes it absolutely is still a burglary. Classic victim blaming.

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by QuantumNomad_ »

nkrisc wrote: post #69
galangalalgol wrote: post #59

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When a bridge fails, it is the professional engineer that signed off on that part. If you want someone to sign off on software or IT you will need to pay them quite a lot.

Yes, I would expect compensation to increase proportionally with accountability. What makes no sense is compensation that increases irrespective of accountability. Being the CEO of a company that handles risky, sensitive things should be risky for the CEO, personally. And their compensation can reflect that.

In other words, they need to hire people whose job it is to “please”.

Provide Legal Exculpation and Sign Everything

https://how-i-met-your-mother.fandom.com/wiki/Provide_Legal_...

Re: The 'untouchable hacker god' behind Finland's biggest crime

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Post by ryanlol »

shellac wrote: post #72
bitbasher wrote: post #68

Wasn't he the guy that used tar for the leaked folder of data, but the tar included his user folder which contained his legal name?

It's in the article. Not sure it had his name, but certainly his family name since he looked for records concerning his relatives.

The queries appear to have been looking for me specifically, filtering by date of birth. That wouldn't be a good way to find my relatives.
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