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Gas Town Decoded

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Re: Gas Town Decoded

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I use beads quite a bit, but not as steve intended. And definitely the opposite of "Gas Town," where I use the note-taking capability and integration with Git (that is, as something of a glorified Makefile and database) to debug contexts, to close the loop and increase accuracy over time. Nevertheless, it has been useful for large batch runs over my code base: the record has been processing for thirty hours straight…

> but some others will pick up where he left off, with more modest goals Already happening :-) https://github.com/Dicklesworthstone/beads_rust

the main area I'd like to see some departure from beads is to use markdown files (or something) to be able to see the issue context/comments better in a diff generated by git.

The other area I'd like to see some software engineering thinking that's more open ended is on regression testing: ways of storing or referencing old versions of texts to see if the agent can complete old transformations properly even with a context change that patches up a weakness in a transformation that is desirable. This is tricky as it interacts with something essential in software engineering, the ability to run test suites and responding to the outcome. I don't think we know yet when to apply what fidelity of testing, e.g. one-shot on snippets versus a more realistic test based on git worktrees.

This is not something you'd want for every context, but a lot of my effort is spent building up prompt fragments to normalize and clean up the code coming out of a model that did some ad-hoc work that meets the test coverage bar, which constrains it decently into having achieved "something." Kind of like a prototype. But often, a lot of ungratifying massaging is required to even cover the annoying but not dangerous tics of the LLM, to bring clarity to where it wrote, well, very bad and unprincipled code...as it does sometimes.

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This looks familiar to people who have seen how the more elaborate NPC systems work in major multiplayer games. There are lots of semi-independent NPCs, with some degree of overall coordination. Groups of cops or soldiers may have a commander program for tactical coordination, and there may be a higher level system deploying units for strategic purposes.

In games, what the NPCs can do is usually rather dumb. Move and shoot is usually most of their functionality. This keeps the overhead down so the system is affordable.

Gas Town may be a step towards AIs which have an ongoing sense of what they're doing. I'm not going to get into the "consciousness" debate, but it's closer to liveness.

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I'd help build Gas City and Gas State, and Gas Country if that would mean we actually would solve the things AI promised to solve. All sickness, famine, wealth ... The problem is, we're just fidgeting yolo-fizzbuzz ad nauseam. The return on investment at the moment is probably one of the worst in the history of human investments. AI does improve over time, still today, but we're going to run out of planet before we g…

As of yet, the AI models doing important work are still pretty specialized. I'd be happy to pitch in to run something like an open source version of alpha-fold, but I'm not aware of any such projects.

I have trouble seeing LLMs making meaningful progress on those frontiers without reaching ASI, but I'd be happy to be wrong.

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I'd help build Gas City and Gas State, and Gas Country if that would mean we actually would solve the things AI promised to solve. All sickness, famine, wealth ... The problem is, we're just fidgeting yolo-fizzbuzz ad nauseam. The return on investment at the moment is probably one of the worst in the history of human investments. AI does improve over time, still today, but we're going to run out of planet before we g…

The Wright brothers are idiots, if it were me I'd have made a supersonic jet from the get go and not waste my time mucking around with prototypes.

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I'd help build Gas City and Gas State, and Gas Country if that would mean we actually would solve the things AI promised to solve. All sickness, famine, wealth ... The problem is, we're just fidgeting yolo-fizzbuzz ad nauseam. The return on investment at the moment is probably one of the worst in the history of human investments. AI does improve over time, still today, but we're going to run out of planet before we g…

The Wright brothers are idiots, if it were me I'd have made a supersonic jet from the get go and not waste my time mucking around with prototypes.

We were promised supersonic jets today or very soon though and our economies have been held hostage waiting for that promise.

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I ran the Gas Town intro post through ChatGPT 5.2 Pro[0]

Based on my initial read, and a pass at this summary, it seems mostly right. YMMV

Did some further dives into the little public usage data from Gas Town, and found that most of the "Beads" are tasks that are broken down quite small, almost too small imo.

Super interesting project with the goal of keeping Claude "busy" however it feels more like a casino game than something I'd use for production engineering.

[0]https://gist.github.com/jumploops/2e49032438650426aafee6f43d...

Re: Gas Town Decoded

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post #72

This looks familiar to people who have seen how the more elaborate NPC systems work in major multiplayer games. There are lots of semi-independent NPCs, with some degree of overall coordination. Groups of cops or soldiers may have a commander program for tactical coordination, and there may be a higher level system deploying units for strategic purposes. In games, what the NPCs can do is usually rather dumb. Move and…

What games are notable in this regard? The classic Majesty series comes to mind. UO aspired to complex NPC systems. Fable as well. I always dreamt of a more advanced Sim City-meets-MMO that just went all in on that.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gas Town post reads like some type of manic psychosis. I hope he snaps out of it and gets help.

Please don't do internet psychiatric diagnosis on HN. I know that often the intention is good, but it leads to bad places. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a... (and I realize the GP was the place the line started getting crossed)

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Re: Gas Town Decoded

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Wright brothers are idiots, if it were me I'd have made a supersonic jet from the get go and not waste my time mucking around with prototypes.

We were promised supersonic jets today or very soon though and our economies have been held hostage waiting for that promise.

The first recorded supersonic flight was in 1947.
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