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Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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Pretty sure burden of proof is on you, here.

It's not, because I haven't ruled out the possibility. I could share anecdata about how my discussions with LLMs have led to novel insights, but it's not necessary. I'm keeping my mind open, but you're asserting an unproven claim that is currently not community consensus. Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.

I agree that after discussions with a LLM you may be led to novel insights.

However, such novel insights are not novel due to the LLM, but due to you.

The "novel" insights are either novel only to you, because they belong to something that you have not studied before, or they are novel ideas that were generated by yourself as a consequence of your attempts to explain what you want to the LLM.

It is very frequent for someone to be led to novel insights about something that he/she believed to already understand well, only after trying to explain it to another ignorant human, when one may discover that the previous supposed understanding was actually incorrect or incomplete.

Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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I don't know how someone can look at what you build and conclude LLMs are still google search. It boggles the mind how much hatred people have for AI to the point of self deception. The evidence is placed right in front of you and on your lap with that link and people still deny it.

How do you come to that conclusion? There are absolutely tons of code pens of that style. And jsfiddles, zen gardens, etc. I think the true mind boggle is you don't seem to realize just how much content the AI conpanies have stolen.

>I think the true mind boggle is you don't seem to realize just how much content the AI conpanies have stolen.

What makes you think I don't realize it? Looks like your comment was generated by an LLM because that was an hallucination that is Not true at all.

AI companies have stolen a lot of content for training. I AGREE with this. So have you. That content lives rent free in your head as your memory. It's the same concept.

Legally speaking though, AI companies are a bit more in the red because the law, from a practical standpoint, doesn't exactly make illegal anything stored in your brain... but from a technical standpoint information on your brain, a hard drive or a billboard is still information instantiated/copied in the physical world.

The text you write and output is simply a reconfiguration of that information in your head. Look at what you're typing. The English language. It's not copywrited, but every single word your typing was not invented by you, the grammar rules and conventions were ripped off existing standards.

Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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By and large, I agree with the article. Claude is great and fast at doing low level dev work. Getting the syntax right in some complicated mechanism, executing an edit-execute-readlog loop, making multi file edits. This is exactly why I love it. It's smart enough to do my donkey work. I've revisited the idea that typing speed doesn't matter for programmers. I think it's still an odd thing to judge a candidate on, but…

> Being able to type quickly and accurately reduces

LLMs can generate code quickly. But there's no guarantee that it's syntactically, let alone semantically, accurate.

> I feel that I'm learning faster because I'm not tripping over silly little things.

I'm curious: what have you actually learned from using LLMs to generate code for you? My experience is completely the opposite. I learn nothing from running generated code, unless I dig in and try to understand it. Which happens more often than not, since I'm forced to review and fix it anyway. So in practice, it rarely saves me time and energy.

I do use LLMs for learning and understanding code, i.e. as an interactive documentation server, but this is not the use case you're describing. And even then, I have to confirm the information with the real API and usage documentation, since it's often hallucinated, outdated, or plain wrong.

Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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> If it could truly think it would be able to bootstrap creations from basic principles like we do, but it really can't. alphazero?

I just said LLMs

You are right that LLM and alphazero are different models, but given that alphazero demonstrated having the ability to bootstrap creations, we can't easily rule out LLM also has this ability?

Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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It's not, because I haven't ruled out the possibility. I could share anecdata about how my discussions with LLMs have led to novel insights, but it's not necessary. I'm keeping my mind open, but you're asserting an unproven claim that is currently not community consensus. Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.

I agree that after discussions with a LLM you may be led to novel insights. However, such novel insights are not novel due to the LLM, but due to you. The "novel" insights are either novel only to you, because they belong to something that you have not studied before, or they are novel ideas that were generated by yourself as a consequence of your attempts to explain what you want to the LLM. It is very frequent for…

The point is that the combined knowledge/process of the LLM and a user (which could be another LLM!) led to it walking the manifold in a way that produced a novel distribution for a given domain.

I talk with LLMs for hours out of the day, every single day. I'm deeply familiar with their strengths and shortcomings on both a technical and intuitive level. I push them to their limits and have definitely witnessed novel output. The question remains, just how novel can this output be? Synthesis is a valid way to produce novel data.

And beyond that, we are teaching these models general problem-solving skills through RL, and it's not absurd to consider the possibility that a good enough training regimen cannot impart deduction/induction skills into a model that are powerful enough to produce novel information even via means other than direct synthesis of existing information. Especially when given affordances such as the ability to take notes and browse the web.

Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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If everyone is, no one is.

Wouldn't that be a good thing?

If you think the purpose of living your one single life in the universe is to become a CEO, you have a failure of imagination and should likely be debanked to protect society.

Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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In my experience Claude is like a "good junior developer" -- can do some things really well, FUBARS other things, but on the whole something to which tasks can be delegated if things are well explained. If/when it gets to the ability level of a mid-level engineer it will be revolutionary. Typically a mid-level engineer can be relied upon to do the right thing with no/minimal oversight, can figure out incomplete instr…

> In my experience Claude is like a "good junior developer"

We've been saying this for years at this point. I don't disagree with you[1], but when will these tools graduate to "great senior developer", at the very least?

Where are the "superhuman coders by end of 2025" that Sam Altman has promised us? Why is there such a large disconnect between the benchmarks these companies keep promoting, and the actual real world performance of these tools? I mean, I know why, but the grift and gaslighting are exhausting.

[1]: Actually, I wouldn't describe them as "good" junior either. I've worked with good junior developers, and they're far more capable than any "AI" system.

Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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By and large, I agree with the article. Claude is great and fast at doing low level dev work. Getting the syntax right in some complicated mechanism, executing an edit-execute-readlog loop, making multi file edits. This is exactly why I love it. It's smart enough to do my donkey work. I've revisited the idea that typing speed doesn't matter for programmers. I think it's still an odd thing to judge a candidate on, but…

> I feel that I'm learning faster

Yes, you are feeling that. But is that real? If I take all LLMs from you right now, is your current you still better than your pre-LLM you? When I dream I feel that I can fly and as long as I am dreaming, this feeling is true. But the subject of this feeling never was.

Re: Claude is good at assembling blocks, but still falls apart at creating them

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I just said LLMs

You are right that LLM and alphazero are different models, but given that alphazero demonstrated having the ability to bootstrap creations, we can't easily rule out LLM also has this ability?

This doesn’t make sense. They are fundamentally different things, so an observation made about Alphazero does not help you learn anything about LLMs.
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