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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_dental_gold
Reading some of this reminds me, thank god, we still have a long way to go to be in a death cult administration. Brutal, uncaring, immoral, yea, yes, yes. But not death cult level yet.
It's probably a good thing that gold fillings/caps aren't that common these days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_ski...
The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.
Laws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.
I assure you if you treat an ice agent the way that they treat folks, you will see the application of quite a few laws.
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One is a sitting president, one hasn't been in a decade. What do you believe is more pressing, and why?
A good question. As the ACLU notes, Obamas use of ICE is similar to Trumps. I believe if people are sincere, they should condemn either neither or both. If they refuse to condemn Obama, but do condemn Trump, I do not believe they can make a good argument about compassion. That may change the conversation, which I think would lead to a more logical discussion.
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A good question. As the ACLU notes, Obamas use of ICE is similar to Trumps. I believe if people are sincere, they should condemn either neither or both. If they refuse to condemn Obama, but do condemn Trump, I do not believe they can make a good argument about compassion. That may change the conversation, which I think would lead to a more logical discussion.
You've used this Obama deflection half a dozen time already, and everytime you do people will answer that they were never fans of ICE, even under Obama. Yet you continue to use it, again and again and again... The real question is why, among all these blatantly illegal actions and violent acts perpetrated against the US population that we keep hearing of, you still feel the urge to jump in and defend ICE and Trump?
Obama is a great orator, and a historic figure. If we don’t remind people that he used ICE much like Trump did, we could end up with a historic injustice. If you call Trump a monster for his use of ICE ( as the ACLU does ), you should also call Obama a monster ( also as the ACLU does ). It’s only fair.
If it’s still not clear, I’ll give a historical example. Bill Clinton molested several women, paid out large sums of money, etc. The man was a lech. But women’s organizations supported him and gave him cover for several years. ( I.e. NOW, the national organization of women ). Clinton was named ‘Father if the year’ by some organization. Can you imagine how this galled people on the other side of the political aisle? It seemed there was no end to the hypocrisy. Finally, thankfully, #MeToo came along and the truth was acknowledged.
That’s why I keep throwing this out there. The truth must be acknowledged. You can’t call Trump a monster without calling Obama a monster, too.
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I condemn all excessively authoritarian behaviour. As a peer comment notes, bad behaviour _under_ a former administration is distinct from bad behaviour fully embraced, endorsed, and backed _by_ the current administration. As an aside, the "did you see what Obama did" is a poor response; while I'm certainly not a "literal communist" by any stretch I do urge you to watch a very short clip that specifically highlights…
Thank you for the video, it highlights the discussion I think is needed.
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What is with the dang worship on HN?!
He is coconspirator and enabler of the very thing you are uncomfortable with.
Call him what he is: the problem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_dental_gold
Reading some of this reminds me, thank god, we still have a long way to go to be in a death cult administration. Brutal, uncaring, immoral, yea, yes, yes. But not death cult level yet.
Wearing skulls on their uniforms? Check. (Punisher symbols)
Disappearing "undesirables" to foreign camps? Check. (CECOT)
Murderous paramilitary brown shirts? Check. (Rene Goode)
Anti-science? Check. Anti-accountability? Check. Nationalistic? Check.
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You've used this Obama deflection half a dozen time already, and everytime you do people will answer that they were never fans of ICE, even under Obama. Yet you continue to use it, again and again and again... The real question is why, among all these blatantly illegal actions and violent acts perpetrated against the US population that we keep hearing of, you still feel the urge to jump in and defend ICE and Trump?
Because the Democrat politicians encouraging the agitators are aligned with Obama. Obama is a great orator, and a historic figure. If we don’t remind people that he used ICE much like Trump did, we could end up with a historic injustice. If you call Trump a monster for his use of ICE ( as the ACLU does ), you should also call Obama a monster ( also as the ACLU does ). It’s only fair. If it’s still not clear, I’ll giv…
Except no one is disputing this "truth". You're making up a strawman. Clearly, no one on the Left cares to defend Obama over his use of ICE, you must have realized this by now. But you keep bringing him up whenever ICE does anything illegal or abhorrent (which is daily now). Why is that? And I am yet to hear you condemn anything.
> Can you imagine how this galled people on the other side of the political aisle?
Not really, when the current President was Epstein's best friend, a known pedophile, and is embroiled in several rape affairs. Clearly the Right does not care about women, they even ran on an anti-feminism agenda. When Trump said "grab her by the pussy" during the campaign it did not make any waves in right-wing circles.
On the other hand, outside of the most dickless liberal circles, people on the Left are extremely quick to criticize/condemn democratic leaders: Biden, Obama, Clinton... Even Harris, people were extremely mad over her awful campaign.
Meanwhile, I am yet to see a single republican criticize Trump over literally anything. The guy did multiple crypto-scams, received obvious bribes (one of them an entire plane) from islamic dictatorships, is knee-deep in a major international pedophilia scandal, etc. Dead silence from the right.
Like right now, you keep deflecting whenever ICE does something bad. I have not seen you even acknowledge that ICE stealing from citizens is bad. You keep doing whataboutisms for some reason.
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So your solution for dealing with armed thugs is NOT to comply with their demands?
Yes, that’s the duty of every red-blooded American