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Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by postalcoder »

simonw wrote: post #44
cc62cf4a4f20 wrote: post #32

It's really quite amazing that people would actually hook an AI company up to data that actually matters. I mean, we all know that they're only doing this to build a training data set to put your business out of business and capture all the value for themselves, right?

A few months ago I would have said that no, Anthropic make it very clear that they don't ever train on customer data - they even boasted about that in the Claude 3.5 Sonnet release back in 2024: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-5-sonnet > One of the core constitutional principles that guides our AI model development is privacy. We do not train our generative models on user-submitted data unless a user gives us…

I despise the thumbs up and thumbs down buttons for the reason of “whoops I accidentally pressed this button and cannot undo it, looks like I just opted into my code being used for training data, retained for life, and having their employees read everything.”

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by BaudouinVH »

felixrieseberg wrote: post #6

Hi, Felix from the team here, this is my product - let us know what you think. We're on purpose releasing this very early, we expect to rapidly iterate on it. (We're also battling an unrelated Opus 4.5 inference incident right now, so you might not see Cowork in your client right away.)

hello Felix, that page is 404 here at the moment :(

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by hypfer »

TIPSIO wrote: post #66
hypfer wrote: post #26

People do realize that if they're doing this, they're not feeding "just" code into some probably logging cloud API but literally anything (including, as mentioned here, bank statements), right? Right? RIGHT?????? Are you sure that you need to grant the cloud full access to your desktop + all of its content to sort elements alphabetically?

Have you ever used any Anthropic AI product? You cannot literally do anything without big permissions, warnings, or annoying always-on popup warning you about safety.

No, of course not. Well.. apart from their API. That is a useful thing.

But you're missing the point. It is doing all this stuff with user consent, yes. It's just that the user fundamentally cannot provide informed consent as they seem to be out of their minds.

So yeah, technically, all those compliance checkboxes are ticked. That's just entirely irrelevant to the point I am making.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by jen729w »

simonw wrote: post #24

I was hoping for a moment that this meant they had come up with a design that was safe against lethal trifecta / prompt injection attacks, maybe by running everything in a tight sandbox and shutting down any exfiltration vectors that could be used by a malicious prompt attack to steal data. Sadly they haven't completely solved that yet. Instead their help page at https://support.claude.com/en/articles/13364135-using-…

> tells users "Avoid granting access to local files with sensitive information, like financial documents"

Good job that video of it organising your Desktop doesn't show folders containing 'Documents', 'Photos', and 'Projects'!

Oh wait.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by nicoty »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #65
nikkwong wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t easily snapshot the current state of an OS and restore to that state like with git.

Well there is cri-u for what its worth on linux which can atleast snapshot the state of an application and I suppose something must be similar available for filesystems as well Also one can simply run a virtual machine which can do that but then the issue becomes in how apps from outside connect to vm inside

Filesystems like zfs, btrfs and bcachefs have snapshot creation and rollbacks as features.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by usefulposter »

simonw wrote: post #44
cc62cf4a4f20 wrote: post #32

It's really quite amazing that people would actually hook an AI company up to data that actually matters. I mean, we all know that they're only doing this to build a training data set to put your business out of business and capture all the value for themselves, right?

A few months ago I would have said that no, Anthropic make it very clear that they don't ever train on customer data - they even boasted about that in the Claude 3.5 Sonnet release back in 2024: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-5-sonnet > One of the core constitutional principles that guides our AI model development is privacy. We do not train our generative models on user-submitted data unless a user gives us…

This would make a great blogpost.

>I'm always going to be paranoid that I miss some opt-out somewhere

FYI, Anthropic's recent policy change used some insidious dark patterns to opt existing Claude Code users in to data sharing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46553429

>whatever vague weasel-words the lawyers made you put in the terms of service

At any large firm, product and legal work in concert to achieve the goal (training data); they know what they can get away with.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by fuzzy2 »

y42 wrote: post #62
jryio wrote: post #36

It's so important to remember that unlike code which can be reverted - most file system and application operations cannot. There's no sandboxing snapshot in revision history, rollbacks, or anything. I expect to see many stories from parents, non-technical colleagues, and students who irreparably ruined their computer. Edit: most comments are focused on pointing out that version control & file system snapshot exists:…

Indeed there are and this is no rocket science. Like Word Documents offer a change history, deleted files go to the trash first, there are undo functions, TimeMachine on MacOs, similar features on Windows, even sandbox features.

Trash is a shell feature. Unless a program explicitly "moves to trash", deleting is final. Same for Word documents.

So, no, there is no undo in general. There could be under certain circumstances for certain things.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by AstroBen »

hypfer wrote: post #26

People do realize that if they're doing this, they're not feeding "just" code into some probably logging cloud API but literally anything (including, as mentioned here, bank statements), right? Right? RIGHT?????? Are you sure that you need to grant the cloud full access to your desktop + all of its content to sort elements alphabetically?

When choosing between convenience and privacy, most people seem to choose convenience

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Post by cush »

y42 wrote: post #62
jryio wrote: post #36

It's so important to remember that unlike code which can be reverted - most file system and application operations cannot. There's no sandboxing snapshot in revision history, rollbacks, or anything. I expect to see many stories from parents, non-technical colleagues, and students who irreparably ruined their computer. Edit: most comments are focused on pointing out that version control & file system snapshot exists:…

Indeed there are and this is no rocket science. Like Word Documents offer a change history, deleted files go to the trash first, there are undo functions, TimeMachine on MacOs, similar features on Windows, even sandbox features.

State isn't always local too
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