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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

#71
I still did not get very clearly what can and can’t zed, open code and other do to use max plan? Developers want to use these 3p client and pay you 200 a month, why are you pissing us off. I understand some abuser exists but you will never really be possible to ban them 100%, technically.

Very poor communication, despite some bit of reasonable intention, could be the beginning of the end for Claude Code.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

> You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. No, the ToS literally says you cannot.

Does it mean it will be outright banned in China? Otherwise I see DeepCode coming...

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

#73
post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

> You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. No, the ToS literally says you cannot.

What's worse is that Anthropic also goes after customers who bought their services through intermediaries, even if the service was API (not subscription).

If you use Claude models through CURSOR, Anthropic still applies its own policies on usage. Just recently they cut off xAI employees' access to Claude models on Cursor [0]. X has threatened to ban Anthropic from X.

[0]: https://x.com/kyliebytes/status/2009686466746822731?s=46

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

#74

I still did not get very clearly what can and can’t zed, open code and other do to use max plan? Developers want to use these 3p client and pay you 200 a month, why are you pissing us off. I understand some abuser exists but you will never really be possible to ban them 100%, technically. Very poor communication, despite some bit of reasonable intention, could be the beginning of the end for Claude Code.

Honestly I think Claude Code enjoyed an "accidental" success much like ChatGPT; Anthropic engineers have said they never though this thing could catch on.

But being first doesn't mean you're necessarily the best. Not to mention, they weren't the first anyway (aider was).

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

#75

Opencode is much better anyway and it doesnt change its workflow every couple weeks.

I like how I can cycle through agents in OpenCode using tab. In CC all my messages get interpreted by the "main" agent; so summoning a specific agent still wastes main agent's tokens. In OpenCode, I can tab and suddenly I'm talking to a different agent; no more "main agent" bs.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

#76
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL, that's so much worse than I imagined. I know we want to turn everything into a rental economy aka the financialization of everything, but this is just super silly. I hope we're 2-3 years away, at most, from fully open source and open weights models that can run on hardware you can buy with $2000 and that can complete most things Opus 4.5 can do today, even if slower or that needs a bit more handholding.

> hardware you can buy with $2000 Including how much RAM?

I assume strongly, in 3 years the prices will have dropped a lot again.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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post #18

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Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every other model out there, and there are quite a few good ones (even open weight ones). Opus might be currently the best model out there, and CC might be the best tool out of the commercial alternatives, but once someone switches to open code + multiple model pro…

disagree. it is much better for anthropic to bundle than to become 'just another model provider' to opencode/other routers. as a consumer, i do absolutely prefer the latter model - but i don't think that is the position I would want to be in if I were anthropic.

Nah, Anthropic thinks they have a moat; this is classic Apple move, but they ain't Apple.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

#78
Anthropic showed their true colors with their sloppy switch to using Claude Code for training data. They can absolutely do what they want but they have completely destroyed any reason for me to consider them fundamentally better than their competitors.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

#79

This whole situation is getting out of hand. With the development speed AI has it is a matter of time to have a competitor that has 80% what CC does and it is going to be good enough for most of us. Trying Windows the way into this category by Anthropic is not the smartest move.

> that has 80% what CC does

OpenCode already does 120% of what CC does.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

#80

Sounds like standard terms from lawyers – not very friendly to customers, very friendly to company – but is it particularly bad here? I remember when I was part of procuring an analytics tool for a previous employer and they had a similar clause that would essentially have banned us from building any in-house analytics while we were bound by that contract. We didn't sign.

> Sounds like standard terms from lawyers

If they were "standard" terms, then how come no other AI provider imposes them?

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