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Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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I don't know that your claims about male circumcision have any basis in fact https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26724395/?utm_source=chatgpt...

The linked study doesn’t measure sexual stimulation, only touch, pain, and heat. The study also found that the foreskin was more sensitive than any other area, which supports the prior commenter’s point.

As far as I can tell it addresses the mechanisms proposed by the parent comment.

If the claim is specifically about reduced stimulation during sex, that's a different claim. I'm simply saying the initial explanation seemed like bullshit

In general, if a claim is easy to verify, someone has verified it, but the US is also somewhat prudish so making the research more explicit might make it less likely that the research happens in the states. If there is an existing study that says this claim is correct, feel free to link it.

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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Are those victims not capable of identifying themselves if they feel they were indeed victimized? (but for context, my own view on the subject is "Let's wait a hot minute before we go cutting parts off the baby")

The problem is evidence, its not like those urologists like incriminating themselves. Even though my trauma occurred in hospital, its not in my medical file. How does one even start to file an official complaint if it didn't happen according to your medical file?

Thank you for elaborating! Your original comment was abstract and high-handed, but this makes it clear you're coming from a place of wanting to solve your own specific problem.

Practically if you know you were circumcised shortly after your birth, can't you look at the record of your birth and subsequent care, make a list of doctors that attended or treated you in any way, and then make the complaint about all of them?

(this isn't arguing against your point, just exploring the problem)

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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It isn't hard to find people with different religious views from their parents, so no, I don't think defaulting a baby to any religion should be a thing.

"Because I've seen successful children come out of abusive homes, I don't think we need to do anything about abusive homes."

Nice straw man you got there. Shame what happened to it.

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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In 1996 the Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act made it illegal to perform FGM on minors for non-medical reasons, and in 2013 the Transport for Female Genital Mutilation Act prohibited transporting a minor out of the country for the purpose of FGM. Male genital mutilation on minors for non-medical reasons should also be made illegal. It is amazing Medicaid still pays for it in many states. The Americ…

Female genital mutilation is done by Them, and bad. Male genital mutilation is done by Us, and not bad.

I had to read it twice to get your point, well said!

Re: Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

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The problem is evidence, its not like those urologists like incriminating themselves. Even though my trauma occurred in hospital, its not in my medical file. How does one even start to file an official complaint if it didn't happen according to your medical file?

Thank you for elaborating! Your original comment was abstract and high-handed, but this makes it clear you're coming from a place of wanting to solve your own specific problem. Practically if you know you were circumcised shortly after your birth, can't you look at the record of your birth and subsequent care, make a list of doctors that attended or treated you in any way, and then make the complaint about all of the…

You are making assumptions, I was effectively infibulated (by "partial circumcision") after a false diagnosis, age 11, where I clearly conveyed I did not want to before it happened.

I know the name of the urologist.

I go to the hospital as a young adult, made an appointment with another urologist at the same hospital (to prevent myself from ending up in jail).

I ask her to check my medical record, it's not there.

She proposes to check the record under my mother's name: nope, under my stepfather's name: nope, my father's name: nope, and my father didn't even know it happened.

Meanwhile the university had some recent philosophy thesis paper that tried to answer the question why no one in my country has sued any urologist regarding circumcision, their conclusion? some random psychological stuff.

Psychological? the suppression of evidence (or access to the evidence) is not something that happens in my head, but in the real outside world.

I my case I know the name of the urologist, but we are denied access to legal evidence.

And why would they incriminate themselves? its not like they "woops-what-are-my-hands-doing" accidentally put the sample of foreskin in the sterile packaging again boy after boy, and "woops-my-arms-uncrontrollably" put it in their fridge until the medical courier picks it up, and remuneration magically follows without these surgeons understanding what they are doing. Of course they perfectly know what they are doing. It's organised harvesting of foreskin tissue. Why would they incriminate themselves with a paper trail? How naive the rest of society can be: we know these people select their profession because it is an auspicious hidey hole.

And this is in a hospital setting.

Now reread the posted article, every time people argue to only ban religious settings they pretend there is no trauma in hospital settings. The real reason is they want to lucratively harvest the tissues for themselves. It's a limited hang-out every time. Journalists either aren't doing their job, or are being censored by their superiors.

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