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Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by pmontra »

Fiveplus wrote: post #35

This is a healthy thing to happen to the Linux browser ecosystem imho. We talk a lot about browser diversity, but on Linux and Windows, it is a lie. You have firefox (gecko) and fifty flavors of chromium. Webkit on Linux has essentially been relegated to embedded devices or the GNOME epiphany browser, which I'll admit while is a noble effort, lags a bit in the stability and power-user features department. Big reason…

> "DRM/widevine [...] is the graveyard where Linux browsers go to die"

Maybe it's not widevine L1 but Firefox has the widevine plugin enabled on my Debian 13. I don't remember I had to do anything except downloading Firefox from Mozilla and installing it.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm

Apparently it's part of Brave too but it's disabled by default

https://support.brave.app/hc/en-us/articles/360023851591-How...

I expect it to be available on Chrome and I don't expect much from Epiphany.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by Macha »

Phelinofist wrote: post #39

Whats special about Orion? Why would I use it instead of FF or even Chromium?

I think Kagi at this stage have a better reputation than Mozilla, and Chromium is not seen as sufficiently independent from Chrome, and hence from Google’s anti-user decisions.

That said, closed source is still a deal breaker for a browser for me, or I’d probably already be using Vivaldi.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by bikelang »

undeveloper wrote: post #21

I love what the kagi team is doing, and being some of the first innovators maybe since the ladybird(?) browser, even if it's using the same base of webkit, not being a fork of chrome or firefox. I wish they'd bring it to android, but it doesn't look like they're interested.

Kagi is a pretty small team and they’ve got a LOT on their plate. Orion started on macOS and was in development for 6 years before finally hitting their 1.0 release in November. Give it time - I’m sure they’d love to support just about every major OS and platform.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by TacticalCoder »

Fiveplus wrote: post #35

This is a healthy thing to happen to the Linux browser ecosystem imho. We talk a lot about browser diversity, but on Linux and Windows, it is a lie. You have firefox (gecko) and fifty flavors of chromium. Webkit on Linux has essentially been relegated to embedded devices or the GNOME epiphany browser, which I'll admit while is a noble effort, lags a bit in the stability and power-user features department. Big reason…

I don't disagree with you about a new browser being a good thing but ...

> If not, it will be a secondary browser for documentation reading only.

I don't even have sound on my main desktop PC: the one I use the most. The one I do all my "life admin" stuff from (banking, real estate, etc.), all my work emails, all my coding. I think sound works but I haven't bothered to plug in speakers to check (since three years, when I assembled the PC).

That's a bit more than documentation reading.

There are work environments where even just a sound emitted by a PC is frowned upon.

People who aren't into media consumption are not just "reading documentation".

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by bastawhiz »

thisislife2 wrote: post #54

Nice. But I stopped using Orion on macOS when they stopped offering complete offline installers. They taut they are a zero-telemetry browser, as proof that they are privacy conscious about user data, and that was a good feature and overture. But then when they create technical avenues to (possibly) bypass that (like using online installers that can do all kind of data collection) it becomes harder to trust them as it…

> online installers that can do all kind of data collection

"Can" is doing a lot of work here. A browser's whole purpose is to be online, after all. If they were trying to collect information about you, they really don't need the installer to be the thing that does it. It would be an impressive reversal of their whole premise as a business if their browser's installer was the piece that was violating your privacy and not, you know, their whole service (that you have to be signed in to).

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

packetlost wrote: post #59
JohnFen wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sticking point like always will be media playback (read: DRM/widevine). Probably true in general. But for me, that's not a sticking point at all. I don't care if a browser supports media playback or not. What I do care about is the ability to enable/disable embedded code execution (JS, at the very least) at a fairly granular level. Does Orion allow for that?

It's a major sticking point for most people though and a very large blocker for wider Linux desktop adoption.

We like Linux adoption around these parts. But don't we like it because linux doesn't let companies mistreat it's users?

If users are unwilling to opt out of that abuse then I think its OK that their migration to Linux remains mildly inconvenient.

Re: Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

idiotsecant wrote: post #66
JohnFen wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sticking point like always will be media playback (read: DRM/widevine). Probably true in general. But for me, that's not a sticking point at all. I don't care if a browser supports media playback or not. What I do care about is the ability to enable/disable embedded code execution (JS, at the very least) at a fairly granular level. Does Orion allow for that?

You are, you recognize, a tiny minority?

Among users generally, or among kernel developers? Because that's the audience you'd have to convince.
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