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Let's call a murder a murder
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is this situation even remotely similar to Charlie Kirk’s assassination other than a death occurred?
Same team committing the violence and using it as an excuse to enforce even more authoritarian efforts on people like me, before the bodies are even cold
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I'm not sure this will play well for them politically. A fair bit of what got Trump elected was saying they'd protect ordinary Americans from immigrant criminals. Now they have footage of a white middle class mum in an suv, pretty much their median voter, being shot dead by their thugs and saying don't believe you eyes and clear video evidence, she tried to run an officer over when she obviously didn't.
You may be correct (and I hope you are), but speaking anecdotely, I have several friends & acquaintances on the right who justify pretty much any actions taken by the admnistration (including this one). Many of the supporters of this administration are religious zealots who see left wing thinking and people as just about the most evil thing out there. To them, the end (fewer “radical” left wing thinkers) justifies th…
For the next elections, we need to convince swing voters and inconsistent voters to turn out for Democrats next election. Not reprogram the terminally MAGA.
The next onion layer will be credulous Fox viewers. But I’m even less clear on how we do that.
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#74Just found: "The agent who shot a woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday was pulled about 100 yards by a car last year while firing a stun gun at the driver." So, this is a trend.
His failure to do his job correctly multiple times isn't justification for the murder of a 37 year old mother and the orphaning of her child.
Most sane government agencies would make sure he knew and started following the required protocol so that he would be safe/competent the next time before putting him back on the street. Yet he again failed to do his job and follow protocol, and stood in front of a vehicle. Seems like repeat government/leadership/agent failure.
The quote is 'We live in a world where trained cops can panic and act on impulse, but untrained civilians must remain calm with a gun in their face.'. Random americans in unusual situations can't be expected to not stress/freak out, that is realistic human nature. That is why officers are trained and required as part of their job to never place themselves in front of vehicles.
It is on the trained officers, initiating the situation and experienced with it, to keep things under control. That is literally their job. The obligation shouldn't be on a mom that just dropped her kids at school that isn't the 'trained professional' in the scenario.
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As Wikipedia points out "Footage from three camera angles indicates Good’s vehicle is turning past and away from the agent, not accelerating toward him, when he fires three shots through the windshield, killing her as she drives by." Recently home doorbell video released also shows the same thing from a fourth angle.
There are several videos, so "the video" is unhelpful. The NYT breakdown of several videos, or the Reddit synchronization of several videos show he was NOT hit, and seem to show she backed up partly to avoid him walking in front of her car (after dropping her youngest of three children off at school, with her dog in the car, just after waving other cars around her.)
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Completely incorrect. You should look at the NYT frame by frame breakdown of the shooting for a better understanding of what happened.
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> woman in the Missouri-plated Honda.
Why this fixation among conservatives on the out-of-state plates? Desire to pin unrest on "outside agitators" a la Ghorman? [1] In fact the woman lived in Minneapolis, if that matters to you for some reason. [2]
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_(Andor) [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good#Ren...
Re: Let's call a murder a murder
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here you appear to be using "illegal aliens" as a synonym for "immigrants". Groups that aid and support immigrants are doing a service that benefits America and all Americans; we should give them money so they can continue to help. Immigration is of benefit to most nations; we are no different. But if and when you call immigrants illegal aliens, you're removing an important distinction and distorting reality. Have yo…
Apparently, a lot of people like cmxch aren’t familiar with the age depopulation bomb, where senior citizens start outnumbering everyone else like in Japan. We need immigration to keep economy healthy
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As Wikipedia points out "Footage from three camera angles indicates Good’s vehicle is turning past and away from the agent, not accelerating toward him, when he fires three shots through the windshield, killing her as she drives by." Recently home doorbell video released also shows the same thing from a fourth angle. There are several videos, so "the video" is unhelpful. The NYT breakdown of several videos, or the Re…
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#80What I find even more horrifying than the murder is the response from people in power. Lying. Calling the victim a terrorist. Claiming she deserved it. Expressing unequivocal support for the killer. Threatening more of the same for the opposition. Posting fucking memes! Not even a hint of sympathy anywhere to be seen. These people are animals. They should be in chains in front of a tribunal, not running the country.…
Man is the only animal to claim a God, and the only animal to behave as if there is no God.
That relies on absolving other animals of responsibility for their behaviors because they don't have higher order thought, no? Animals can be pretty violent to even their own species.
edit: Chewing on this a little more, this viewpoint almost feels like the dual of a common justification that people drunk on religion use to justify the killing of other human beings - "animals kill each other so it's natural behavior, and God sorts us all out in the afterlife"