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Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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I once mailed a CL to Sanjay. He replied, "This is outside of my expertise. Can you send it to Jeff?"

One of my more junior teammates got their CL assigned to Sanjay for review, she had no idea who he was and I just told her to look at all her new badges tomorrow.

IME Sanjay responds to CLs way faster than I expected.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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"Chuck Norris facts" was a text-only meme format from the mid '00s. Stuff like "Chuck Norris is the only man to ever defeat a brick wall in a game of tennis" or "When Chuck Norris does push-ups, he doesn't push himself up, he pushes the Earth down." The Jeff Dean Facts use the same format. It doesn't have anything to do with Chuck Norris himself.

I vaguely remember another instance of this around a guy in the army - I forgot if it was at boot camp or what the rank was, but it was something along the lines of “things I’m no longer allowed to do” and just had a bunch of silly military joke/prank type things… man I wonder if I could dig that up again, I think it might have been late 90s internet.

That would be Skippy's List[0], which as far as I know is the seminal work in the genre (at least on the internet). I originally learned about it through a (rather less compact) version about someone's D&D crimes[1], which was closer to my cultural wheelhouse, but the original holds up even if you have to google some phrases.

[0] https://skippyslist.com/list/

[1] https://theglen.livejournal.com/16735.html

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Hey! I created Jeff Dean Facts! Not the jokes themselves, but the site that collected them. It was in 2008 I think (give or take a year, can't remember). I worked at Google at the time. Chunk Norris Facts was a popular Internet meme (which I think later faded when he came out as MAGA, but I digress...). A colleague (who wishes to remain anonymous) thought the idea of Jeff Dean Facts would be funny, and April 1st was…

I’m no expert, but I certainly wouldn’t call that racism. Bias, absolutely. And it’s important that we acknowledge our biases. But in a more literal sense, the chance of your joke landing was likely higher due to the things that you stated and due to your audience and their biases. I don’t see your joke as being in any way harmful towards Sanjay aside from potential knock on effects of Jeff Dean being more popular. B…

It's not remotely racist. OP is being self critical for no good reason.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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It turns out when you usher the dissenters out of the room, you hear a lot less dissent.

It’s not like they were summarily executed. They are much freer now outside of corporate control to speak their minds as they please. The only real question is if anyone deems them worth listening to.

I mean, I follow them.

Their problem domain is pretty niche and they're pretty technical on it so I don't doubt their traction is mostly academics.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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I’m no expert, but I certainly wouldn’t call that racism. Bias, absolutely. And it’s important that we acknowledge our biases. But in a more literal sense, the chance of your joke landing was likely higher due to the things that you stated and due to your audience and their biases. I don’t see your joke as being in any way harmful towards Sanjay aside from potential knock on effects of Jeff Dean being more popular. B…

> I don’t see your joke as being in any way harmful towards Sanjay aside from potential knock on effects of Jeff Dean being more popular I mean… yeah. When two people are peers and comparably well regarded, and one is elevated above the other and enjoys increased popularity, familiarity, and respect, and the elevation is because that person's name comes from a culture that is more aligned with the dominant culture an…

I see. I hadn't thought of it from a perspective of dominant culture. Looking at it that way, it can appear racist.

I looked at it from the perspective of syllable count. Jeff Dean is easier to say by that measure. If Jeff were instead named Alexander Chesterton, would he still be the obvious choice to head the facts? My takeaway from this is that a single-syllable name is perhaps a great boon.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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It's nice that a company has senior engineers that are known by name and looked up to. It shows that engineers are valued, and a meritocracy exists.

Yes, but the downside is even highly accomplished engineers feel unworthy. For example, when I started in 2008, they said everybody should make a "Google Resume" (ongoing list of all the stuff you did at Google) and linked to Jeff's as an example. He rewrote the entire indexing pipeline at a critical time enabling Google's rapid growth... created mapreduce... helped create bigtable & gfs... wrote the search engine th…

Everyone at Google has imposter syndrome. If you don't, this is how they make sure you get it.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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post #71

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One of my more junior teammates got their CL assigned to Sanjay for review, she had no idea who he was and I just told her to look at all her new badges tomorrow.

IME Sanjay responds to CLs way faster than I expected.

I've never had in for a review at google, I think it only happens if you change something very top level. I did an internship under him the summer before he joined Google at Dec/Compaq SRC though. I learned a lot of tricks from him then (like using graphviz to print out compiler graphs to do debugging).
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