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Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by matkoniecz »

farg24 wrote: post #46

Nothing in Alaska?

likely it was not yet mapped in OpenStreetMap!

So it is missing in OpenStreetMap-based map.

Feel free to edit it if you can!

(even if this specific data is not possible to be added by you - feel free to add say nearby shop or park)

ad: if you have Android I can recommend StreetComplete (great for newbies)

if you have iPhone - GoMap!! is great though a bit more complicated to use

Vespucci is more complicated and more powerful than StreetComplete editor for Android phones

or you can edit directly on osm.org from desktop

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disclaimer: I am a walking conflict of interest as far as OSM goes (for start, I am StreetComplete contributor)

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by snthd »

yabones wrote: post #57
ascari wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that the UK has one of the most expensive electricity prices in the world

If I'm remembering correctly, it's because the previous government set the price floor to the average natural gas price, artificially propping up their north sea oil & gas industry that's been noncompetitive for decades. Even though they can make cheap energy, consumers get screwed because of national security concerns. Unfortunately I don't have a source, and would appreciate a UK national with better understanding…

Related - "The UK is wasting a lot of wind power" from 2023. https://archy.deberker.com/the-uk-is-wasting-a-lot-of-wind-p...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34358795

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by embedding-shape »

gehsty wrote: post #22
lnsru wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s really interesting how perception of openness changes over time. During cold war publishing this information would send one directly to gulag.

It’s a double edged sword - secrecy leads to accidental damage by fishermen & anchors, so generally you want your cables and pipes charted. There are cables not on this map that are uncharted for things like acoustic monitoring & finger printing of vessels.

> It’s a double edged sword - secrecy leads to accidental damage by fishermen & anchors, so generally you want your cables and pipes charted.

Yeah, and the other edge of the sword is on display in the Baltic Sea nowadays, where "fishermen" accidentally keep dragging their anchors for miles across the sea bottom, always somehow exactly where the communication cables are.

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by rdiddly »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #52

Shout out to the UK for the number of off-shore wind turbine farms: https://openinframap.org/#7.17/52.529/1.681

Makes sense. If you're an island surrounded by water, you don't have to go through the hassle of finding a piece of land to put them on.

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by agwa »

shautvast wrote: post #72

It lists 'Centrale Hemweg' (Amsterdam). This plant was decommissioned 6 years ago. How up to date is this data?

It gets its data from Open Street Map, so it's only up-to-date if volunteers are keeping it up-to-date.

That said, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrale_Hemweg says the plant was converted to natural gas, not decommissioned, in 2019, and this is correctly reflected in Open Street Map / Open Infra Map. Do you have a citation that contradicts this?

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by jotaen »

mathis wrote: post #43
Towaway69 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Berlin, Germany just had a blackout because a left from centre organisation decided to set an electric exchange on fire. Right over new years and at a very cold time of year. Apparently the data on where the exchange was and how it would affect the surrounding neighbourhoods was openly available. The neighbourhoods affect were largely affluent. It’s probably also the reason why this is being reshared.

The location of the recent blackout is here: https://openinframap.org/#12.98/52.43214/13.26948 One can see easily make out the power station Lichterfelde and the affected substation inside of it. The area to the east of the power station was without power between Saturday and Thursday morning.

> The area to the east of the power station

s/east/west/

(I.e., the area left of the power station.)

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by jotaen »

snickerer wrote: post #34
lnsru wrote: post #27

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I have license for boat and use nautical maps. They show me a cable, but not the hierarchy of the infrastructure. I see a cable, but can’t evaluate if half of town stays without electricity or only an island with dozen houses if I damage it. However the available maps do not stop russian ships regularly dropping anchors on European infrastructure in Baltic see. Obviously charting them does not help. Maybe they should…

You can hide the position of the cables from fishermen and the public. But if someone knows where they are, it is the KGB, I mean, FSB. We should make information about infrastructure public. There was a power outtage in Berlin, due to to an attack aginst a 'secret' cable bridge. If the map of cables would have been public, then the public may have had a chance to realize that having no backup cable is a bad idea for…

The submission’s map includes the affected area of the power outage, so that info is already public, isn’t it? https://openinframap.org/#12.98/52.43214/13.26948

Re: Open Infrastructure Map

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Post by rdtsc »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #33
lnsru wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s really interesting how perception of openness changes over time. During cold war publishing this information would send one directly to gulag.

I saw a nice presentation by Michael Cruickshank with an intelligence background that was using public geospatial data like what this is based on to model how climate change would affect power outages in an African city. In that case he was trying to figure out where all the power infrastructure was that would be affected in a flooding and then model network effects to figure out which parts of the city would end up…

> You can mine a lot of intelligence from public data. And his approach of doing some kind of scenario modelling on top of the open data actually is interesting.

That’s sort of how it happens in the intelligence world. A bunch of analysts can look at open source data - news snippets, public data sets etc, but once they analyze it and distill to some conclusions it may become sensitive or classified.

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