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Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by lithocarpus »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #46

A casual look at where people live the oldest, what they eat, and what's recommended tell you all you need to know about food recommendations then and now. It's a field where actual long term controlled experiments are impossible, confounding variables are everywhere, and multiple lobbies have vested interests in the outcomes. I take everything with a grain of salt apart from studies of harm when sources are credible…

I think avoiding industrially processed food is wise, but it eliminates 99% of restaurant food and 90% of prepared food in almost any setting, only exception being about half the stuff at a salad bar.

Almost everything that isn't a single ingredient whole plant or animal food contains industrially processed oil or sweetener/starch.

Still worth doing imho but I understand why it's not easy for most people.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by gilrain »

bluGill wrote: post #41
biophysboy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What annoys me the most is that sat fat is a huge way that sugary products are made more palatable to people. People love butter. It is every chef's 2nd favorite tool, just after salt.

Butter is only a favorite because Lard has been some demonized that no chef would ever use it anymore.

That, and the only readily available form of lard stinks of rancid hog.

Approximately nobody has access to high quality leaf lard like the food blogs champion.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by DetectDefect »

panja wrote: post #50
DetectDefect wrote: post #31

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Which are crafted by individuals with strong financial ties to the meat, dairy, or egg industries, thus should be disregarded by any reasonable person.

Going through that link, it's hard to see where you came to that conclusion? It seems to have pretty reasonable dietary advice.

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by jorblumesea »

CVD and links to saturated fats is a long, long established phenomenon and has a lot of science behind it. A single study or even studies should not invalidate or discount it. Before people misinterpret what this is saying.

Sugar may also contribute some to CVD but most cardiologists still think fats are the main driver of CVD.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by ecshafer »

mullingitover wrote: post #20
alphazard wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is a lot of speculation that we will soon see a new food pyramid that is inverted. Pretty much everyone I know understands that the food pyramid is the product of various lobbies coming together and does not represent a legitimate theory of diet or nutrition. That is independent of their politics or opinions about RFK. I don't think a change to the food pyramid would change anyone's actions, people haven't ta…

The food pyramid went away over twenty years ago. It was discontinued in 2005, and the current guidelines are at https://www.fns.usda.gov/cnpp/myplate which launched in 2011.

Even the myplate doesn't seem right. There's probably too much fruit and too much dairy. There isn't any indication of legumes. Vegetables is too vague. There is no indication of fats, which are part of everything else.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by stavros »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #46

A casual look at where people live the oldest, what they eat, and what's recommended tell you all you need to know about food recommendations then and now. It's a field where actual long term controlled experiments are impossible, confounding variables are everywhere, and multiple lobbies have vested interests in the outcomes. I take everything with a grain of salt apart from studies of harm when sources are credible…

A casual look at where people live the oldest will tell you about statistical outliers and bad government recordkeeping.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by Avshalom »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #45
rendaw wrote: post #12

When this news first came out it was mind blowing, but at the same time I don't entirely get it. So the money quote seems to be: > The literature review heavily criticized studies linking sucrose to heart disease, while ignoring limitations of studies investigating dietary fats. They paid a total of 2 people $50,000 (edit: in 2016 dollars). That doesn't seem like enough to entirely shape worldwide discourse around nu…

Or maybe the combination is the problem. I couldn’t consume much sugar on its own nor much cream but put the two together in ice cream and I could eat it all day long.

No no, ice cream is good for you. It's fine.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by giacomoforte »

__0x01 wrote: post #62

My understanding was that atherosclerotic plaques are comprised of cholesterol or fatty deposits [1] and that these can lead to CVD. The fat mechanism I understand, but what is the mechanism for sugar in CVD? [1] https://www.heart.org/en/health-topics/cholesterol/about-cho...

Pretty much every health authority will tell you that high blood sugar damages blood vessels, thereby enabling the formation of said plagues.
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