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Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by pamcake »

peterfirefly wrote: post #69

It's a strange mix of very good tech talks and left-wing extremism. I'm looking forward to watching "Who cares about the Baltic Jammer?" and "The art of text (rendering)" as examples of the former. An example of the latter is "selbstverständlich antifaschistisch!"

> It's a strange mix of very good tech talks and left-wing extremism.

That last polarisation and othering is odd, unnecessary, divisive and not generally representative of 39c3 talks nor the CCC.

Antifascism is a long tradition among humanists and European hackers and not related to "left-wing extremism".

Why do you find it necessary to discredit the message of that talk? What's the supposedly extremist message in there?

Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by lmeyerov »

Alconicon wrote: post #14
neiman wrote: post #3

Where were people's favourite lectures? I attended 7 talks. My favourite talk by far was hacking the GPG. Brilliant, really: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-to-sign-or-not-to-sign-practical... The "In-house electronics manufacturing from scratch" was a very inspiring talk: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-in-house-electronics-manufacturi... The rest were less good for me personally. Either over-dramatic and shallow (with a se…

I think the blue team ctf ai talk was a good benchmark were we at right now https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-breaking-bots-cheating-at-blue-t...

Thank you, and happy to answer questions on that, it's been a crazy time!

Maybe of relevance to non-security people here:

1. Most of it is about AI investigating event data in general, not just SOC/IR: cyber, intel, fraud, SRE, and we're even messing with customer 360 & social media data

2. For anyone into vibes coding or building agents, I encourage jumping to the "self-writing AI" section where we're finding we are moving internally from vibes coding -> vibes engineering -> and finally now to eval-driven AI coding loops

And, for anyone in security, doing careful evals here has indeed strongly colored my view on the market :)

Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by anotheryou »

BoredPositron wrote: post #65
lukan wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you show me, where exactly Joshua Bach stands for intolerance?

You've read the email exchange with epstein? How billions dieng to famine would be a good thing or culling the elderly and infirm? Don't even know why I bother answering.

oh, did not read that one...

Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by anotheryou »

lukan wrote: post #68
BoredPositron wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's linked right above in this chain. I am not going to discuss why killing people is intolerant. That's just silly even for hn standards.

You edited your post after I commented and there was nothing about killing there before. (Just something about haters) Indeed not HN standards. And if Joshua said killing people is good, I am interested in a full quote.

also interested in the source. read a compilation of mails and this was not in there.

Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by BoredPositron »

lukan wrote: post #68
BoredPositron wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's linked right above in this chain. I am not going to discuss why killing people is intolerant. That's just silly even for hn standards.

You edited your post after I commented and there was nothing about killing there before. (Just something about haters) Indeed not HN standards. And if Joshua said killing people is good, I am interested in a full quote.

If you are going to defend someone you have no or very distant association with like you stated in another reply. Maybe just maybe read what everyone else is talking about, in this chain it would be his email exchange with epstein. Thanks for making ME read that pseudo intellectual shit again so YOU don't have to.

"too many people, so many mass executions of the elderly and infirm make sense is the fundamental fact that everyone dies at some time .make it imporrisbole to ask so why not earilier. if the brain discards unused neurons, why shold socieity keep their equivalent."

https://www.jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_026413?view=i...

EDIT: There was no comment before I edited mine. @dang can probably timestamp it if you want to make a fuss about.

Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by computerthings »

lukan wrote: post #48
viccis wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people have little patience lately for tolerating private discussion they find objectionable with Epstein.

I think people have little patience (or rather fear) to engage with different points of view in general these days.

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Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by lukan »

BoredPositron wrote: post #75
lukan wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You edited your post after I commented and there was nothing about killing there before. (Just something about haters) Indeed not HN standards. And if Joshua said killing people is good, I am interested in a full quote.

If you are going to defend someone you have no or very distant association with like you stated in another reply. Maybe just maybe read what everyone else is talking about, in this chain it would be his email exchange with epstein. Thanks for making ME read that pseudo intellectual shit again so YOU don't have to. "too many people, so many mass executions of the elderly and infirm make sense is the fundamental fact t…

Maybe present the full quote?

"too many people, so many mass executions of the elderly and infirm make sense is the fundamental fact that everyone dies at some time .make it imporrisbole to ask so why not earilier. if the brain discards unused neurons, why shold socieity keep their equivalent

The radical idea of treating individuals in a society as cells and the society itself as a well-organized organism is fascism, or course. Probably the most efficient and rationally stringent way of governance, if someone could pull it off in a sustainable way; and if it is aggressive and expansive, its efficiency makes it a virus that everybody will want to stomp out. Fascism makes romantic doo-gooders like me very uncomfortable"

He dares to explore radical taboo ideas and concludes that it would be fascism, which he is not comfortable with.

So .. I see nothing where he is intolerant of anything. But you seem not tolerant for people daring to explore certain thoughts in general? Even if they reach the conclusion this is not the way to go. (And maybe even an attempt at dissuading the other person of those concepts)

Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by lukan »

BoredPositron wrote: post #75
lukan wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You edited your post after I commented and there was nothing about killing there before. (Just something about haters) Indeed not HN standards. And if Joshua said killing people is good, I am interested in a full quote.

If you are going to defend someone you have no or very distant association with like you stated in another reply. Maybe just maybe read what everyone else is talking about, in this chain it would be his email exchange with epstein. Thanks for making ME read that pseudo intellectual shit again so YOU don't have to. "too many people, so many mass executions of the elderly and infirm make sense is the fundamental fact t…

"EDIT: There was no comment before I edited mine. @dang can probably timestamp it if you want to make a fuss about."

Dang would just flag us both if we make a fuss here.

And what you apparently mean is, that when you started to edit your comment, my answer wasn't there. But it was already, after you edited.

Anyway, I am fine with calling this part a missunderstanding.

Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by Phelinofist »

weinzierl wrote: post #13
neiman wrote: post #3

Where were people's favourite lectures? I attended 7 talks. My favourite talk by far was hacking the GPG. Brilliant, really: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-to-sign-or-not-to-sign-practical... The "In-house electronics manufacturing from scratch" was a very inspiring talk: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-in-house-electronics-manufacturi... The rest were less good for me personally. Either over-dramatic and shallow (with a se…

Somehow it did not get much attention, but Signal president Meredith Whittaker (together with Udbhav Tiwari) spoke about the risks and threats from AI-enabled systems. AI Agent, AI Spy https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-ai-agent-ai-spy I also found the talk about Asahi interesting, both from a technical standpoint but also as a nice update what the current status is. Asahi Linux - Porting Linux to Apple Silicon https://medi…

The Asahi talk was good, but the video switched waaaayyyyy too often between slide only -> slide + speaker -> stage -> only speaker. Made me kinda uncomfortable.

Re: 39th Chaos Communication Congress Videos

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Post by BoredPositron »

lukan wrote: post #77
BoredPositron wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are going to defend someone you have no or very distant association with like you stated in another reply. Maybe just maybe read what everyone else is talking about, in this chain it would be his email exchange with epstein. Thanks for making ME read that pseudo intellectual shit again so YOU don't have to. "too many people, so many mass executions of the elderly and infirm make sense is the fundamental fact t…

Maybe present the full quote? "too many people, so many mass executions of the elderly and infirm make sense is the fundamental fact that everyone dies at some time .make it imporrisbole to ask so why not earilier. if the brain discards unused neurons, why shold socieity keep their equivalent The radical idea of treating individuals in a society as cells and the society itself as a well-organized organism is fascism,…

That's why I didn't want to quote anything because it's just deteriorating into a debate club about hypotheticals.

To extend your "full" quote: "The radical idea of treating individuals in a society as cells and the society itself as a well-Organized organism is fascism, or course. Probably the most efficient and rationally stringent way of governance, if someone could pull it off in a sustainable way… I rather like the treatment Fascism gets in the Amazon Series ‘The Man in the High Castle’, which explores what would have happened if the Germans and Japanese had won the war: A society that tries to function as a brutal and ruthlessly efficient machine, eliminating all social and evolutionary slack. It is very dark, but not a flat caricature of pointless evil for its own sake."

Let's stay away from killing people how about the misogyny?:

"You cannot learn what does not attract your attention. Women tend to find abstract systems, conflicts and mechanisms intrinsically boring."

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