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UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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Chips are definitely a thing in the UK. Like French fries but usually chunkier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_and_chips

If you are lucky, you get triple-fried chips. Which are just as good/bad as they sound.

> just as good/bad as they sound.

I.e. extremely good and not at all bad.

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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This is really, really exciting. The moment this spark ignites, it will herald a new reality for industrialization of space, and I for one cannot wait to see it succeed. One of the things I truly believe will elevate our species is space industrialization. If, in 20 years or so, we send a fleet of space furnaces to 16 Psyche [1], there is a very real possibility that we will be able to move a lot of Earths heavy indu…

Research has gone this direction several times. Every time it did, ground factories discover some way to improve their quality so that space manufacturing became irrelevant again. That's not to say it will happen again. But it's not a certain thing.

Wins at both ends, whats to not like?

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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I'm only YouTube-level informed on how silicon manufacturing works, but something that is, perhaps intentionally, not made clear to someone unfamiliar with the field is that this is not manufacturing chips in space. This is to grow the crystals only, the very first step in silicon chip manufacturing. This is how you get the ingot, then you slice it to get the wafers upon which the chips are built. The reason you woul…

>this is not manufacturing chips in space *crisps It's from the UK.

There is a Douglas Adams inspired The Great British Bake Off subplot out there somewhere.

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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4000 times purer seems a questionable claim to me. 4000 times purer then what? Current Earthbound state of the art? A guy in shed with a vacuum pump and a heater? On what axis: crystal defects or contamination? High vacuums aren't at all impossible on Earth and silicon boules are already single crystals. What exactly about their process permits such a huge quality improvement?

The best silicon single crystals still contain impurities at the 1E-11 level. This project is about doing crystal growing in low gravity (the ultra-high purity is only achieved due to the growth process). The vacuum of space is a lot worse than what can be achieved in the lab, especially in low orbits.

There have been experiments to create higher vacuums in space, which have been used to grow semiconductor crystals:

https://scfh.ru/en/papers/vacuum-in-the-wake/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Shield_Facility

I'm not saying it's practical, but it's pretty cool.

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which doesn't mean it's not another example of the same phenomenon. Many companies do things that are not, and will never be, profitable (in the traditional sense), because they have ulterior motives.

False. The objective a company is to make profit, anything else is a side quest and is less relevant. There isn’t an “ulterior” motive here. The motive is clear: profit. We just can’t pinpoint the exact pathway to it in terms of details.

Not all companies have "make profit" as their primary goal. But what I meant by "ulterior motive" was that their space factory may never provide enough output for that alone to justify the cost. Their plan may be for the factory in space to bring money in other ways (e.g. making them eligible for grants they would otherwise not have received).

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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> a heat shield named Pridwen after the legendary shield of King Arthur will be deployed to protect the spacecraft from the intense temperatures it will experience as it re-enters the Earth's atmosphere. Why bring back the entire spacecraft and not just the finished product? I'm also curious how they handle cooling the silicon, since dissipating heat in space is kind of difficult.

Harder engineering to separate the components? Making the oven + crystal formation work is probably maxing out their novelty budget without trying to make the craft partially disassemble.

Plus, they can study the oven after the process which is likely to be helpful if the entire experiment poops the bed.

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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Chips are definitely a thing in the UK. Like French fries but usually chunkier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_and_chips

Which is called Fish and Chips in Canada, even though it's served with fries.

In the Netherlands we have two words for fries and you know if someone is from the north or the south based on their use: Patat, north en Friet, south, particularly in the South people are sensitive to using the wrong, northern word. (And chips are just crisps here.)

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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4000 times purer seems a questionable claim to me. 4000 times purer then what? Current Earthbound state of the art? A guy in shed with a vacuum pump and a heater? On what axis: crystal defects or contamination? High vacuums aren't at all impossible on Earth and silicon boules are already single crystals. What exactly about their process permits such a huge quality improvement?

The best silicon single crystals still contain impurities at the 1E-11 level. This project is about doing crystal growing in low gravity (the ultra-high purity is only achieved due to the growth process). The vacuum of space is a lot worse than what can be achieved in the lab, especially in low orbits.

What is the current defect rate preventing from happening? If you can lower it three orders of magnitude, what then becomes possible?

Re: UK company sends factory with 1,000C furnace into space

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is called Fish and Chips in Canada, even though it's served with fries.

In the Netherlands we have two words for fries and you know if someone is from the north or the south based on their use: Patat, north en Friet, south, particularly in the South people are sensitive to using the wrong, northern word. (And chips are just crisps here.)

What? Every time I see kids on the train they’re talking about going to the appie to buy a redbull and “zakje chips”. I live in Eindhoven though so idk if that plays a roll.
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