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Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by gruez »

bgbntty2 wrote: post #70

An easy solution - open the package when the delivery person comes or when you pick it up from the delivery office. The delivery person can take a photo and act as a witness. If you take the package from the local delivery office, there are cameras and staff, so I can't just swap a ripe apple for a rotten one. Where I live we don't have the habit of just putting the delivery on the porch for a few reasons. First, it'…

>An easy solution - open the package when the delivery person comes

That would massively slow down delivery times, especially if the packaging is non-trivial to open/inspect. Not to mention that not everyone works a comfy remote job where they're at the door the entire day.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by gruez »

exe34 wrote: post #12
embedding-shape wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We absolutely also need full and complete peace on earth and no more wars, but what we need isn't always what is feasible to get in real life. "No-AI proofs" falls into that bucket of "Would be nice to have, but very infeasible to actually create".

it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. it will be pushed forward by law enforcement ("think of the children!") and it will be great for profits. not so much for privacy.

>it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture.

You can mitigate this by having a pool of devices (eg. 1000) share keys. AFAIK TPM chips and U2F/FIDO keys do this to provide some anonymity while limiting the blast radius if a key does get leaked.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by avereveard »

pixl97 wrote: post #68
avereveard wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well yes that's how should we navigate societal change, out of actual threats and not what ifs. what ifs gave us some nice piece of work legislation before like DMCA, so yeah I'm going to be overly cautious about anything that is emotionally charged instead of data driven.

I mean digital privacy was not a what-if when the DCMA was written, it and its problems existed long before then. You're conflating business written legislation which is a totally different problem. Also I guess you're perfectly fine with me developing self replicating gray nanogoo, I mean I've not actually created it and ate the earth so we can't make laws about self replicating nanogoo I guess.

Yes please go ahead and do. We already have laws against endangerment as we have laws against fraud as we did have laws aroubd copyright infringement. No need to cover all what ifs, as I mentioned, unless unwanted behaviour falls between the cracks of the existing frameworks.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

#75

Post by avereveard »

ACCount37 wrote: post #67
avereveard wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it happening literally is the most important question. people are clamoring for regulations and voiding consumer protections, over something nobody seem to find a independently verifiable source.

Lmao no. "The estimated amount of refund fraud" + "off the shelf AI can generate and edit photorealistic images" adds up to "refund fraud with AI generated images" by default. There are enough fraudsters out there that someone will try it, and they're dumb enough that someone will get caught doing it in a hilariously obvious way. It would take a literal divine intervention to prevent that. Now, is there enough AI-gen…

Well then you'll have no trouble to find a verifiable source of it happening and prove your point. something beyond "this person said" or "here a potential example to showcase it's possible"

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by ACCount37 »

avereveard wrote: post #75
ACCount37 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmao no. "The estimated amount of refund fraud" + "off the shelf AI can generate and edit photorealistic images" adds up to "refund fraud with AI generated images" by default. There are enough fraudsters out there that someone will try it, and they're dumb enough that someone will get caught doing it in a hilariously obvious way. It would take a literal divine intervention to prevent that. Now, is there enough AI-gen…

Well then you'll have no trouble to find a verifiable source of it happening and prove your point. something beyond "this person said" or "here a potential example to showcase it's possible"

No. The prior is so strong that it's up to you to prove that no AI fraud is happening.

Good luck.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by blibble »

eru wrote: post #23
isoprophlex wrote: post #5

Maybe the extreme scalability of AI bullshitting will offset the extreme scalability of running large-scale direct-to-consumer oligopolies, and we see some return to local shopping, with all the positive effects on local communities... one can hope

Division of labour is a good thing. It's why we are rich today.

where "we" is bezos

meanwhile my local highstreet is essentially dead

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by avereveard »

ACCount37 wrote: post #76
avereveard wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well then you'll have no trouble to find a verifiable source of it happening and prove your point. something beyond "this person said" or "here a potential example to showcase it's possible"

No. The prior is so strong that it's up to you to prove that no AI fraud is happening. Good luck.

The "some say" prior?

well then here's my refutation: some say this isn't happening at the scale this article claim someone say it's happening.

that should convince you by your own admission.

beside it's the article responsibility to provide evidence for their points. circular links leading to the same handful of stories is not "preponderant"

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by bgbntty2 »

gruez wrote: post #71
bgbntty2 wrote: post #70

An easy solution - open the package when the delivery person comes or when you pick it up from the delivery office. The delivery person can take a photo and act as a witness. If you take the package from the local delivery office, there are cameras and staff, so I can't just swap a ripe apple for a rotten one. Where I live we don't have the habit of just putting the delivery on the porch for a few reasons. First, it'…

>An easy solution - open the package when the delivery person comes That would massively slow down delivery times, especially if the packaging is non-trivial to open/inspect. Not to mention that not everyone works a comfy remote job where they're at the door the entire day.

I'm at home most of the time, yet I prefer to go to the delivery office to pick up my packages. It's a 5 minute walk, as they're all over the city. Might not work well for big car-first American cities, though. I prefer going to the delivery office because I hate waiting for a delivery person to show up and wondering if I have time to go to the bathroom or not.

But I agree that not everything is easy to inspect. Most things seem to be, though. Another issue is not wanting third parties from seeing what you've purchased.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by mauvehaus »

fosco wrote: post #44
isoprophlex wrote: post #5

Maybe the extreme scalability of AI bullshitting will offset the extreme scalability of running large-scale direct-to-consumer oligopolies, and we see some return to local shopping, with all the positive effects on local communities... one can hope

Local stores bullshit too, I was at a well known American ‘sporting goods’ store and got an exercise ball of 75cm size (it states on box), it is fully pumped and smaller than a 55cm ball that I have. When purchasing online I’ve had better luck Caveat emptor

Just so we're clear: are you having an issue with the size of the balls at Dicks[0]?

[0] https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/

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