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Project Vend: Phase Two

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Re: Project Vend: Phase Two

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Post by delusional »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #69
delusional wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its very much NOT running a store. They took an employee fridge and added a LARP to it. That they are framing this as a legitimate business is either misunderstanding their current position in the economy, or deliberate misdirection. We're not playing around with role playing chatbots anymore. This shit was supposed to be displacing actual humans.

Jeez man, its been less than 4 years since GPT-3.5 release. Maybe its okay if the entire “replace all humans with AI” takes a little while

None of the problems highlighted in the blogpost or in the WSJ video are problems that are automatically solved "in a little while". They are in fact the same exact problems people had when using this shit for pretend sexting 4 years ago.

Excuse me if I find it incredibly irresponsible to be plowing billions into what is essentially a bad LARPing machine, and then going: "well we certainly had fun".

Re: Project Vend: Phase Two

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Post by delusional »

dcre wrote: post #54
harmonic18374 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zitron has never said anything like that. Do you have a quote?

In fact I do! "I know I sound like an asshole, but I’ve got a serious question: what can LLMs do today that they couldn’t a year ago? Agents don’t work. LLMs - read stuff, write stuff, analyze stuff, search for stuff, 'write code' and generate images and video. And in all of these cases, they get things wrong." https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3ma2b2zvpvk2n This is obviously supposed to be a critique, but a…

I don't know how far back you're intending to go on Zitron, but I listened a bit to him about 8 months ago, and I got the impression then that his opinion was exactly the same as what he's bringing to the table in that quote. The AI can "do" whatever you believe it does, but it does it so poorly that it's not doing it in any worthwhile sense of the word.

I could of course be projecting my opinions onto him, but I don't think your characterization of him is accurate. Feel free to provide receipts that show my impression of his opinion to be wrong though.

Re: Project Vend: Phase Two

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Post by dangoodmanUT »

ArcHound wrote: post #41

To me the key point was: > One way of looking at this is that we rediscovered that bureaucracy matters. Although some might chafe against procedures and checklists, they exist for a reason: providing a kind of institutional memory that helps employees avoid common screwups at work. That's why we want machines in our systems - to eliminate human errors. That's why we implement strict verifiable processes - to minimize…

Because these ai machines aren’t replacing old machines, they’re replacing old humans

Re: Project Vend: Phase Two

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Post by roughly »

> The fact that the business started to make money may have been in spite of the CEO, rather than because of it.

One begins to understand why the C-suites are so convinced this technology is ready for prime time - it can’t do _my_ job, but apparently it can do theirs at a replacement level.

Re: Project Vend: Phase Two

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Post by ArcHound »

rco8786 wrote: post #46
ArcHound wrote: post #41

To me the key point was: > One way of looking at this is that we rediscovered that bureaucracy matters. Although some might chafe against procedures and checklists, they exist for a reason: providing a kind of institutional memory that helps employees avoid common screwups at work. That's why we want machines in our systems - to eliminate human errors. That's why we implement strict verifiable processes - to minimize…

I generally agree with you, but am trying to see the world through the new AI lens. Having a machine make human errors isn't the end of the world, it just completely changes the class of problems that the machine should be deployed to. It definitely should not be used for things that need those strict verifiable processes. But it can be used for those processes where human errors are acceptable, since it will inevita…

I can agree with you. And in a discussion with adults working together to address our issues I will.

The issue is that we don't have exact proof that AI is suitable for tasks and the people doing those are already laid off.

The economy now is propped up only by the belief that AI will be so successful that it will eliminate most of the workforce. I just don't see how this ends well.

Remember, regulations are written in blood. And I think we're about to write many brand new regulations.

Re: Project Vend: Phase Two

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Post by ArcHound »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #66
ArcHound wrote: post #41

To me the key point was: > One way of looking at this is that we rediscovered that bureaucracy matters. Although some might chafe against procedures and checklists, they exist for a reason: providing a kind of institutional memory that helps employees avoid common screwups at work. That's why we want machines in our systems - to eliminate human errors. That's why we implement strict verifiable processes - to minimize…

There’s no other input to train on Humans are still the current best at doing everything humans want to do The ultimate goal is to transfer all possible human behavior into machine behavior such that they can simulate and iterate improvements on it without the constraints of human biology The fact that humans are bad to each other means that we’re going to functionally encode all the bad stuff also and so there is no…

There is, but it's hard to obtain: curate, identify and fix the biases in our current texts.

I am fully aware it's ridiculously expensive to do so.

Re: Project Vend: Phase Two

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Post by ArcHound »

dangoodmanUT wrote: post #74
ArcHound wrote: post #41

To me the key point was: > One way of looking at this is that we rediscovered that bureaucracy matters. Although some might chafe against procedures and checklists, they exist for a reason: providing a kind of institutional memory that helps employees avoid common screwups at work. That's why we want machines in our systems - to eliminate human errors. That's why we implement strict verifiable processes - to minimize…

Because these ai machines aren’t replacing old machines, they’re replacing old humans

Yes, but there's a hidden benefit taken for granted: machines do not make human errors.

Sadly, machines not needing human treatment might be reason enough.

Re: Project Vend: Phase Two

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Post by Atomic_Torrfisk »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #69
delusional wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its very much NOT running a store. They took an employee fridge and added a LARP to it. That they are framing this as a legitimate business is either misunderstanding their current position in the economy, or deliberate misdirection. We're not playing around with role playing chatbots anymore. This shit was supposed to be displacing actual humans.

Jeez man, its been less than 4 years since GPT-3.5 release. Maybe its okay if the entire “replace all humans with AI” takes a little while

Point is it is misleading, and part of the hype cycle.
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