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What Pandora Pays Top Artists

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Re: What Pandora Pays Top Artists

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Post by alexchamberlain »

MiguelHudnandez wrote: post #48
pasbesoin wrote: post #16

Pandora: Is there a reason the image on this blog post is so large? This one image, resized in the browser to 300x200, is consuming 2+ MB. Namely, this one: I've been noticing the resurgence of browser-based resizing of large images on a few different business blogs/formats, recently. In this case (and some others), the resize is to much less than 1/4 the original, so I'm thinking it's not a "Retina" thing. Maybe it'…

This happens all the time, all over the web. It's because interns or non-webdev staff often don't know they should resize a file before uploading it and attaching it to a post. So they'll upload a JPG right from a camera's memory card and use the WYSIWYG editor to set its dimensions. The worst are when images like this are referenced within broadcast e-mail messages. Luckily you can swap the file out on disk without…

Any real evidence that interns are any worse than full-time employees?

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Post by citricsquid »

RobotCaleb wrote: post #56

I dislike Pandora and much prefer Grooveshark. I'd like to see Grooveshark make a similar post, but I have a feeling it'd leave me sad.

> but I have a feeling it'd leave me sad.

it'd leave you seriously sad, if you have any morals. Grooveshark do not pay royalties on most of their streams, it's really pretty shameful. They abuse the hell out of the DMCA.

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Post by RenierZA »

Sam_Odio wrote: post #28
mayneack wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those of us not used to reading something like this, can you explain? Is the RIAA somewhere in here: "Selling/General/Admin. Expenses, Total"?

I downloaded their detailed income statements[0]. The Google Finance income statement appears to be wrong. Google's income statements imply royalties of less than 8.5%. In their latest quarter (Q2 FY2013) "Cost of Revenue" made up $68,036,000 on revenue of $101,267,000. Of that, "Content acquisition costs" were $60,522. That means royalties make up a whopping 60% of all revenue. They're not making a profit and have l…

I see from that report they have 589 employees. Why do they need so many?

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Post by netcan »

earbitscom wrote: post #34
dkrich wrote: post #29

I use Pandora and love the product. But every time I see this commercial with Tim Westergren where he states that the royalty system for internet radio is "deeply unfair" I can't help but wonder why he believes that to be true. Where is it written that all distributors should pay the same price for their wares? Wal-Mart pays Proctor and Gamble a significantly lower cost than small grocers. Why? Because Wal-Mart, quit…

What you're failing to realize is that the per-stream fee that Pandora pays is exclusive to net broadcasters. Everyone else pays a percentage of revenue that is a manageable 7-8% for performance fees, and another 5.5% for publishing. Pandora's highly risky, per-stream fee is a number pulled from the asses of the RIAA and has no basis in the reality of what the music might be worth in advertiser dollars. Why is $0.002…

I think you're reading past the point of the parent comment which is that the owners have right to charge whatever they want, even if it's unaffordable.

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Post by kahawe »

Great...

"We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S."

I long for the day when these prehistoric business and licensing models are finally burned to the ground and I can just spend my hard-earned money on music and motion-pictures without having to worry which country I am in and which country the song or movie is from.

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Post by conradfr »

imtyler wrote: post #13

This is probably going to end up being a controversial opinion, but I just don't think music is worth that much anymore (fiscally speaking). Sure, there was a time when being popular meant signing a contract-- it was the only way to distribute your music on a large scale. Radio and physical copies were the only way to hear music, period. But these days with the internet and the right software practically anyone can c…

An IDE and a server are cheap, why should developers be paid good salaries ?

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Post by mike-cardwell »

anigbrowl wrote: post #68
MiguelHudnandez wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happens all the time, all over the web. It's because interns or non-webdev staff often don't know they should resize a file before uploading it and attaching it to a post. So they'll upload a JPG right from a camera's memory card and use the WYSIWYG editor to set its dimensions. The worst are when images like this are referenced within broadcast e-mail messages. Luckily you can swap the file out on disk without…

don't know they should resize a file before uploading it and attaching it to a post That's a job for a computer, not a human. It's a waste of an editor's time to dwell on such details, just as it's a waste of a newspaper editor's time to worry about the ink in the printing machines.

Googles mod_pagespeed for Apache does dynamic resizing of images.

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Post by tehwebguy »

Very interesting, but the way they contrast French Montana and Drake / Wayne is a little misleading.

French is blowing up right now because of "Pop That", current #2 hip-hop single that features Rick Ross, Drake and Wayne.

Not trying to put French or Pandora down, but his JV deal with Maybach Music Group and the six figures that it usually costs to get the current top 2 rappers on his track probably have more to do with those royalties than Pandora right now.

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Post by coliveira »

earbitscom wrote: post #38
steve19 wrote: post #5

An artist with a sales rank of 17,000 on Amazon is making $138,567 on Pandora! Wow! I wonder how much Pandora makes (or loses) on that artist.

That's because Pandora only has about a million songs in their catalog, where iTunes has like 30 million. All Pandora has to do, and you better believe they did in order to write an article like this, is classify an unknown artist that sounds like Coldplay into the system. If you've experienced Pandora, you know that after a few weeks you hear the same music over and over on any given channel. Suffice it to say, acro…

> Pandora only has about a million songs in their catalog, where iTunes has like 30 million

That's why I don't listen to Pandora. They keep trying to replay the same old music again and again.

Frankly, I don't see anything innovative about Pandora. They just use a crude classification of songs. I already have enough of radio stations, thank you very much.

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